Aug 15, 2026 · 1 hr 10 min · 14 segments
Zech chats with Dr. Miller-McLemore about her work on the practices involved in parenthood (and why we can call these practices spiritual), why parenthood is also a confrontation with one’s own…
Bonnie Miller-McLemoreGuest
Zach MikkelHost
So we're going to be talking about your book, which is called In the Midst of Chaos, Caring for Children as Spiritual Practice, which is a delightful book.

We were just chatting about how it's actually, it came out in 2019, but it was a reprint of a first edition that you published in 2007.

Also, yeah, I want to say, so I published a book in 2025 on fatherhood, and I had not read this book before I wrote that manuscript, and it was...

Natalie Carnes, who kind of reviewed my manuscript in a really nice way, basically said, like, hey, you're missing out on this whole kind of feminist literature on family life that you would really benefit from.

And so I picked up this book after the fact and really, really loved it, especially I think my favorite chapter maybe was the last one on blessing and letting go.

So we're going to be talking about your book, which is called In the Midst of Chaos, Caring for Children as Spiritual Practice, which is a delightful book.

We were just chatting about how it's actually, it came out in 2019, but it was a reprint of a first edition that you published in 2007.

Also, yeah, I want to say, so I published a book in 2025 on fatherhood, and I had not read this book before I wrote that manuscript, and it was...

Natalie Carnes, who kind of reviewed my manuscript in a really nice way, basically said, like, hey, you're missing out on this whole kind of feminist literature on family life that you would really benefit from.

And so I picked up this book after the fact and really, really loved it, especially I think my favorite chapter maybe was the last one on blessing and letting go.
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