Aug 20, 2026 · 1 hr 4 min · 12 segments
In this episode of The Tech Leader’s Playbook, Jason Martin shares the founder decisions behind building Permiso, from interviewing 100 enterprise security leaders before writing code to creating a…
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Jason, one of the things you said, which which showed a lot of humility is you you you know, you said luck played a role in your career.

How much of it, you know, of luck is actually luck versus what I think it is, is putting yourselves in positions where something extraordinary can happen.
I think, so first, I'm really skeptical of any successful person who edits luck out of their stories because we're all lucky, right? There's either someone helped us along the way or we made a decision, but ultimately, you're right.
You have to do a lot of hard work to put yourself in a position to take advantage of that luck, right? They say, you know, you, you do the work so that when luck comes knocking, you're there to answer that door.
I met the timing of certain technology shifts and whatever the affinity I had for seeking an opportunity to build in a technology shift and, My gosh, how lucky are we to be alive through the Internet, the Internet of Things, Wi-Fi, cloud, you know, AI, like the technology shifts have been really pretty meaningful in the last 30 years.
But you can also maybe to the nature of your question, you can increase the surface area of your luck.
you always should be curious stay curious do meaningful work right help people before you need something from them right like real genuinely help just try to help people and and move towards those changes i see in a lot of industries when change happens whether it was the internet whether it's ai uh fear first opportunity later right but if you can if you can think about That change as the opportunity.
And if you can refactor your biases and you can stop resisting, I think you put yourself in an uncomfortable room with smart people and you put yourself in opportunities away.
So, look, you can't manufacture lightning, but you can sure spend a lot of time outside holding a lightning rod and hoping it will hit, right? If you're not doing that, then it's not going to hit.

Jason, one of the things you said, which which showed a lot of humility is you you you know, you said luck played a role in your career.

How much of it, you know, of luck is actually luck versus what I think it is, is putting yourselves in positions where something extraordinary can happen.
I think, so first, I'm really skeptical of any successful person who edits luck out of their stories because we're all lucky, right? There's either someone helped us along the way or we made a decision, but ultimately, you're right.
You have to do a lot of hard work to put yourself in a position to take advantage of that luck, right? They say, you know, you, you do the work so that when luck comes knocking, you're there to answer that door.
I met the timing of certain technology shifts and whatever the affinity I had for seeking an opportunity to build in a technology shift and, My gosh, how lucky are we to be alive through the Internet, the Internet of Things, Wi-Fi, cloud, you know, AI, like the technology shifts have been really pretty meaningful in the last 30 years.
But you can also maybe to the nature of your question, you can increase the surface area of your luck.
you always should be curious stay curious do meaningful work right help people before you need something from them right like real genuinely help just try to help people and and move towards those changes i see in a lot of industries when change happens whether it was the internet whether it's ai uh fear first opportunity later right but if you can if you can think about That change as the opportunity.
And if you can refactor your biases and you can stop resisting, I think you put yourself in an uncomfortable room with smart people and you put yourself in opportunities away.
So, look, you can't manufacture lightning, but you can sure spend a lot of time outside holding a lightning rod and hoping it will hit, right? If you're not doing that, then it's not going to hit.
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