which is really going back to Rebbe's opinion from top of the Amud, then the Yavim is allowed to do Mimer, Bal Karcha, or really better said, Sheloy L'das, even though it's not to her Das, it's not her consent, it's not her knowledge, she doesn't understand, she doesn't know, maybe she doesn't even want, still, Mimer would work.
So here's another question, Ma'ush Yehi Mimer L'Ben Tesha, we take out the word Ma'maroi, what's a din with Mimer of a nine-year-old? If a nine-year-old Yavim does Mimer to his Yavim, is that valid? Because he's the one that doesn't have Das, since he's not Bar Mitzvah, he doesn't have full Das to be able to do Mimer, but maybe it's Chalakorn to Rebbe.
So L'Ambi Z'Ralph on top of the Gemara says, No, Be'ez Gadol Gemaras, U'm Bia of Gadol is 100% Kenyan, and the Maimur of Gadol is Kainu Mishayar, it's only partial.
Now, Bia's Katan, Kainu Mishayar, that's Mabagirsa.
The Bia of Katan, that's only partial, as we already had multiple times before.
So you want to say the Maimur of Kainu Mishayar, the Maimur of Katan also is going to be partially valid? Well, if that's so, then Mabin Biasa Maimur, right? will the difference be between the Biyah and the Mimah of Akatan? We clearly see there's a difference between Biyah and Mimah of Agadol, so there has to be a difference between Biyah and Mimah of Akatan, and that being said, Mimah of Akatan isn't valid at all.
Now, this is why Mimah, some say it as follows, meaning this is the answer to the question, Mabin ma'mar shal gadol ma'mar shal katan? If you want to say the Mimah of Akatan is partially valid, then what would the difference be between the Mimah of Agadol and Mimah of Akatan? We know that katan and gadol are different when it comes to Biyah, so it has to be that they're different when it comes to Mimah, as there's another way of answering the same question.
Now continuing to discuss this, Shmuel Amar Shmuel says, They treated Bia of a nine-year-old in a day like Mimer of a Gadol.
And that's really what we just said before.
But now here's the following suggestion.
Just like you say that the Bia of a nine-year-old in a day with his Yivamah accomplishes the same much as Mimer does by Gadol, well, do we say similarly? Okay.
Why is that? Because why do they say that the be of a nine-year-old is like mimer of a gadol? That's because she can't be a gadol, that acquires her 100%, whether it's ladas, shaloi, ladas, and therefore be of a katon at least affects some sort of acquisition.
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which is really going back to Rebbe's opinion from top of the Amud, then the Yavim is allowed to do Mimer, Bal Karcha, or really better said, Sheloy L'das, even though it's not to her Das, it's not her consent, it's not her knowledge, she doesn't understand, she doesn't know, maybe she doesn't even want, still, Mimer would work.
So here's another question, Ma'ush Yehi Mimer L'Ben Tesha, we take out the word Ma'maroi, what's a din with Mimer of a nine-year-old? If a nine-year-old Yavim does Mimer to his Yavim, is that valid? Because he's the one that doesn't have Das, since he's not Bar Mitzvah, he doesn't have full Das to be able to do Mimer, but maybe it's Chalakorn to Rebbe.
So L'Ambi Z'Ralph on top of the Gemara says, No, Be'ez Gadol Gemaras, U'm Bia of Gadol is 100% Kenyan, and the Maimur of Gadol is Kainu Mishayar, it's only partial.
Now, Bia's Katan, Kainu Mishayar, that's Mabagirsa.
The Bia of Katan, that's only partial, as we already had multiple times before.
So you want to say the Maimur of Kainu Mishayar, the Maimur of Katan also is going to be partially valid? Well, if that's so, then Mabin Biasa Maimur, right? will the difference be between the Biyah and the Mimah of Akatan? We clearly see there's a difference between Biyah and Mimah of Agadol, so there has to be a difference between Biyah and Mimah of Akatan, and that being said, Mimah of Akatan isn't valid at all.
Now, this is why Mimah, some say it as follows, meaning this is the answer to the question, Mabin ma'mar shal gadol ma'mar shal katan? If you want to say the Mimah of Akatan is partially valid, then what would the difference be between the Mimah of Agadol and Mimah of Akatan? We know that katan and gadol are different when it comes to Biyah, so it has to be that they're different when it comes to Mimah, as there's another way of answering the same question.
Now continuing to discuss this, Shmuel Amar Shmuel says, They treated Bia of a nine-year-old in a day like Mimer of a Gadol.
And that's really what we just said before.
But now here's the following suggestion.
Just like you say that the Bia of a nine-year-old in a day with his Yivamah accomplishes the same much as Mimer does by Gadol, well, do we say similarly? Okay.
Why is that? Because why do they say that the be of a nine-year-old is like mimer of a gadol? That's because she can't be a gadol, that acquires her 100%, whether it's ladas, shaloi, ladas, and therefore be of a katon at least affects some sort of acquisition.