Aug 14, 2026 · 15 min · 11 segments
What does it really take to become a great leader? In this episode of the MorePeople Podcast, Kirsten Catella, Sales & Marketing Director at Wyvale Nurseries, gets brutally honest about the reality of…
We've spoken offline and at dinners a lot about leadership and inspiring people.
What characteristics, what behaviors do you think separate great leaders from average leaders?
When things go wrong, they don't say it was my boss's fault or it was the team's fault or it was an external reason.
They look at a situation and go, how can I put a positive influence on that? How can I take this forward? And that, for me, really does resonate the difference between an average leader and a great leader.
They don't necessarily have all the answers, but they know how to get the answers from the people around them and empower people around them to stand up for themselves and do their own roles.
Interesting.
It's not even a case of just wearing the blame either.
It's just about the learnings from it.
Like you raise your hand, but you don't fall on your own sword and go, I'm useless.
Some people fall on their sword to do that, but it's like, I've made a mistake, but you go forward.
So to make a forward movement and it's the wrong one, at least you're still moving and you're learning.
Yeah, very much so.
I think we said before, fail almost stands for first attempt in learning.
And I think if you don't make mistakes, you can't grow.
And as a parent, as a leader of people, you always have to encourage the failings as long as there is learning along the way.
We've spoken offline and at dinners a lot about leadership and inspiring people.
What characteristics, what behaviors do you think separate great leaders from average leaders?
When things go wrong, they don't say it was my boss's fault or it was the team's fault or it was an external reason.
They look at a situation and go, how can I put a positive influence on that? How can I take this forward? And that, for me, really does resonate the difference between an average leader and a great leader.
They don't necessarily have all the answers, but they know how to get the answers from the people around them and empower people around them to stand up for themselves and do their own roles.
Interesting.
It's not even a case of just wearing the blame either.
It's just about the learnings from it.
Like you raise your hand, but you don't fall on your own sword and go, I'm useless.
Some people fall on their sword to do that, but it's like, I've made a mistake, but you go forward.
So to make a forward movement and it's the wrong one, at least you're still moving and you're learning.
Yeah, very much so.
I think we said before, fail almost stands for first attempt in learning.
And I think if you don't make mistakes, you can't grow.
And as a parent, as a leader of people, you always have to encourage the failings as long as there is learning along the way.
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