Jul 28, 2026 · 55 min · 12 segments
Host Chad McLain interviews his friend Rob Higdon, a health insurance businessperson and ORU alumnus, on whether true selfless giving exists and how expectations shape relationships. They argue life…
Rob HigdonGuest
Chad McLainHost
So I am a, I'm a proud product of Oral Roberts University, the fine institution a number of miles south of where you and I sit.

I went there in a very, um, uh, unusual time in the school's history, transitioning from Oral, the founder, to his son Richard.


So, uh, m- m- many of my comments will kinda come from, I think, more of a Biblical perspective.


I mean, the human condition, right, is s- uh, m- I mean, the hallmark of the human condition is selfishness-

And so to, like if you wanna say purely truly is there such a thing, I mean, y- yeah, there is, but, but it's pretty...

There's generally, particularly in business, right? If you're in business and your business gives to some charitable cause, it's often because, um, it, it touched a member of the business, right? An employee, a, an owner.

So I am a, I'm a proud product of Oral Roberts University, the fine institution a number of miles south of where you and I sit.

I went there in a very, um, uh, unusual time in the school's history, transitioning from Oral, the founder, to his son Richard.


So, uh, m- m- many of my comments will kinda come from, I think, more of a Biblical perspective.


I mean, the human condition, right, is s- uh, m- I mean, the hallmark of the human condition is selfishness-

And so to, like if you wanna say purely truly is there such a thing, I mean, y- yeah, there is, but, but it's pretty...

There's generally, particularly in business, right? If you're in business and your business gives to some charitable cause, it's often because, um, it, it touched a member of the business, right? An employee, a, an owner.
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