May 28, 2026 · 37 min · 10 segments
Our Building Better Managers research identified that employees care about having an empathetic manager, but only half…
Lauren SandersGuestRoss GarnerHostGemma TowerseyHostSo following on from that, we've picked out a quote from the forward of the book.
"What is a trait that leaders claim to value but actually don't train for, assess, or reward?" And that's empathy.

I wanna answer that question, but I also wanna say the forward, uh, is such a big piece of my heart-

... because the, the person who wrote my forward, Valerie Alexander, I met her by chance, and it's a very funny story in the book, and then she was doing a keynote and she asked that question, so that's where the question came from.

And I was the one who screamed out, "Empathy." But in general I love the question because being nice is the worst sales pitch for empathy there is.

And it doesn't matter which research you look at, but consistently research is showing us that leaders who demonstrate empathy have teams with lower turnover, higher psychological safety, and measurably better problem-solving.

But the research also shows us that the higher up you go, the less likely you are to practice it because you feel like you'll be seen a, a, seen as weak if you do, which just blows my mind sometimes.

People who have empathetic leaders have the ability to tell their leaders things.

But information is everything in leadership, and when you lack empathy, you don't get the complete data.

Your team stops telling you what they've learned or what they think because it's not safe or useful for them to do it.

[laughs] And another part of that story, and those people can take other people with them.

It kills me every time I read that quote from the forward because it's true, and the moment you read it you know it's true, yet when we look for people who we wanna hire, that's not a skill that we hire for.
So following on from that, we've picked out a quote from the forward of the book.
"What is a trait that leaders claim to value but actually don't train for, assess, or reward?" And that's empathy.

I wanna answer that question, but I also wanna say the forward, uh, is such a big piece of my heart-

... because the, the person who wrote my forward, Valerie Alexander, I met her by chance, and it's a very funny story in the book, and then she was doing a keynote and she asked that question, so that's where the question came from.

And I was the one who screamed out, "Empathy." But in general I love the question because being nice is the worst sales pitch for empathy there is.

And it doesn't matter which research you look at, but consistently research is showing us that leaders who demonstrate empathy have teams with lower turnover, higher psychological safety, and measurably better problem-solving.

But the research also shows us that the higher up you go, the less likely you are to practice it because you feel like you'll be seen a, a, seen as weak if you do, which just blows my mind sometimes.

People who have empathetic leaders have the ability to tell their leaders things.

But information is everything in leadership, and when you lack empathy, you don't get the complete data.

Your team stops telling you what they've learned or what they think because it's not safe or useful for them to do it.

[laughs] And another part of that story, and those people can take other people with them.

It kills me every time I read that quote from the forward because it's true, and the moment you read it you know it's true, yet when we look for people who we wanna hire, that's not a skill that we hire for.
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