Jun 16, 2026 · 59 min · 12 segments
Ivan Harbour, Senior Design Director at RSHP, joins Jason de Sousa to talk city-making, from working alongside Lord Richard Rogers on the Lloyd's Building to master planning Sydney's Barangaroo. They…
Ivan HarbourGuestJason de SousaHostWell, look, I mean, look, we jest, but actually the Metro, which we've all worked on in one guise or another, and the transformation for Sydney of a high-capacity automated Metro has really changed the way this city operates, right? And that's why you're now seeing, you know, once we see Cross River Rail come through in Brisbane, which is opening up that city, and Melbourne Metro, obviously, which you had a lot to do with, from a station and architecture perspective, deep involved in Melbourne Metro, the public transport in Australia over the last 15 years has really changed.
And I think You know, when I look at my kids who grew up in this city, they have no interest in car ownership.
What do I need a car for, Dad? I mean, it's much easier to get around by tube, by bus.
You know, it seems to um continues to reinvent itself but not and and whatever the world's problems are the problems we have in this country it always seems to be looking forward it always seems to be generating new possibilities and i'm convinced that's because it's so well connected
yeah i think that's right i mean i think there's a broader debate i think when we talk about the uk about what's outside of london and how that's connected and that's been the debate behind hs2 and and so on and so forth but Perhaps we'll come to that another day.
Well, look, I mean, look, we jest, but actually the Metro, which we've all worked on in one guise or another, and the transformation for Sydney of a high-capacity automated Metro has really changed the way this city operates, right? And that's why you're now seeing, you know, once we see Cross River Rail come through in Brisbane, which is opening up that city, and Melbourne Metro, obviously, which you had a lot to do with, from a station and architecture perspective, deep involved in Melbourne Metro, the public transport in Australia over the last 15 years has really changed.
And I think You know, when I look at my kids who grew up in this city, they have no interest in car ownership.
What do I need a car for, Dad? I mean, it's much easier to get around by tube, by bus.
You know, it seems to um continues to reinvent itself but not and and whatever the world's problems are the problems we have in this country it always seems to be looking forward it always seems to be generating new possibilities and i'm convinced that's because it's so well connected
yeah i think that's right i mean i think there's a broader debate i think when we talk about the uk about what's outside of london and how that's connected and that's been the debate behind hs2 and and so on and so forth but Perhaps we'll come to that another day.
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