Sep 21, 2026 · 1 hr 3 min · 10 segments
In this episode of The Ethics Experts, Nick Gallo welcomes Pamela Verick. Pamela Verick is a Principal in HKA’s Forensic Accounting and Commercial Damages practice, with more than 25 years of…
Pamela VerickGuest
Nick GalloHost
We could probably nerd out on this whole aspect of it, but you know, It's it's so interesting.
You know, this space to me is so interesting for many of the reasons that you just talked about.
But there's also this sort of spectrum of experiences that people have in this space.
where some are very passionate about it and they've been able to sort of hold on to, you know, what you said, like, this is what we get to do.
And others have kind of gotten jaded over time because they haven't had the impact that they want or they feel like they're swimming upstream or, you know, all those kinds of things that are kind of like the dark side, you know, living in it as a cost center, not getting the budget you need, all those kinds of things end up kind of like clouding our lens, so to speak, on this potential impact that can, you know, I'm like Mr. Trite, like this is probably going to sound trite, but like that can change the world or can change the world for some, some, somebody, you know what I mean? Who's like in a risk event or, you know, at their worst or whatever.
Well, and you know what I love about the ethics verse? And I am a big fan, as you know.
I see the people regularly in the chat room talking and sharing and motivating each other.
And I think that environment, that collective really does help sustain people sometimes when they are just really struggling with all of those challenges and being in their... sometimes being held down in their organization.
It's a mutual shared collective of, hey, there is still good in the universe, right? maybe that's what it, that maybe that's what we're all about is really call me Pollyanna.
Um, you know, you're, you're a very optimistic person and, um, you know, there's a lot of, I think it's justified optimism, you know, about our space and the impact we can have and things like that.
But I've just come across so many people that are just kind of putting one foot in front of the other or who they, they didn't come into this job or come into this industry sort of feeling that way.
They came into this industry thinking, with some semblance of what we're talking about here, right? Like, you know, no one's picking between being a hedge fund manager and getting into ethics and compliance and risk.
Those are different sort of priority lists of like what you're trying to get out of life and what you're trying to sort of give back to the world.
We could probably nerd out on this whole aspect of it, but you know, It's it's so interesting.
You know, this space to me is so interesting for many of the reasons that you just talked about.
But there's also this sort of spectrum of experiences that people have in this space.
where some are very passionate about it and they've been able to sort of hold on to, you know, what you said, like, this is what we get to do.
And others have kind of gotten jaded over time because they haven't had the impact that they want or they feel like they're swimming upstream or, you know, all those kinds of things that are kind of like the dark side, you know, living in it as a cost center, not getting the budget you need, all those kinds of things end up kind of like clouding our lens, so to speak, on this potential impact that can, you know, I'm like Mr. Trite, like this is probably going to sound trite, but like that can change the world or can change the world for some, some, somebody, you know what I mean? Who's like in a risk event or, you know, at their worst or whatever.
Well, and you know what I love about the ethics verse? And I am a big fan, as you know.
I see the people regularly in the chat room talking and sharing and motivating each other.
And I think that environment, that collective really does help sustain people sometimes when they are just really struggling with all of those challenges and being in their... sometimes being held down in their organization.
It's a mutual shared collective of, hey, there is still good in the universe, right? maybe that's what it, that maybe that's what we're all about is really call me Pollyanna.
Um, you know, you're, you're a very optimistic person and, um, you know, there's a lot of, I think it's justified optimism, you know, about our space and the impact we can have and things like that.
But I've just come across so many people that are just kind of putting one foot in front of the other or who they, they didn't come into this job or come into this industry sort of feeling that way.
They came into this industry thinking, with some semblance of what we're talking about here, right? Like, you know, no one's picking between being a hedge fund manager and getting into ethics and compliance and risk.
Those are different sort of priority lists of like what you're trying to get out of life and what you're trying to sort of give back to the world.
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