Jun 26, 2026 · 40 min · 11 segments
This week on *The Copilot Connection*, Kevin and Zoe dive into the growing impact of **FinOps and tokenomics** in the Copilot era. From insights at Commsverse to real-world concerns, we explore how…
Kevin MacDonaldHost
Zoe WilsonHost
Sadly, if I've said in the show, my wife had a knee operation a few weeks ago.

So it was anywhere between one hour and two and a half hours, which is always good fun in this hot weather on there.

I have to say one of my happy places is the hotel bar in Woking the night before Comsverse starts.

I was doing a session on building agentic solutions for healthcare with Lewis Baybutt.

So we were working together at Avanade and thought we'd We talk a little bit about the journey we had there, and that went very nicely.

I made the comment that the foundation of those slides were made on the one day where you could have co-work without any cost, and you could enable the Fable model.

And I won't be able to do that again for a long time, and certainly not as cheaply as I did it then.

And then, as you said, we had a session with Adina on the – actually, the last session of the day had about 15, 16 people on there, which was pretty good considering most people had gone home by then.

Now, we were told by Jeff that we really need to improve why we're talking about sheep.

Sadly, if I've said in the show, my wife had a knee operation a few weeks ago.

So it was anywhere between one hour and two and a half hours, which is always good fun in this hot weather on there.

I have to say one of my happy places is the hotel bar in Woking the night before Comsverse starts.

I was doing a session on building agentic solutions for healthcare with Lewis Baybutt.

So we were working together at Avanade and thought we'd We talk a little bit about the journey we had there, and that went very nicely.

I made the comment that the foundation of those slides were made on the one day where you could have co-work without any cost, and you could enable the Fable model.

And I won't be able to do that again for a long time, and certainly not as cheaply as I did it then.

And then, as you said, we had a session with Adina on the – actually, the last session of the day had about 15, 16 people on there, which was pretty good considering most people had gone home by then.

Now, we were told by Jeff that we really need to improve why we're talking about sheep.
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