Michelle Cyril – Advanced Paediatric Sleep Specialist and Children’s Nurse, Helping Neurodivergent Children and Families Sleep Better

"Sleep Is a Ninja: Michelle Cyril on Helping Busy Brains Feel Safe Enough to Sleep" Episode Show Notes In this practical and reassuring episode of *Building Resilient Kids*, host Tim Curtis is joined by Michelle Cyril—The Family Sleep Specialist, an advanced paediatric sleep specialist, children's nurse and mum of two neurodivergent children. Michelle knows the exhaustion of childhood sleep difficulties from both sides of the equation. One of her twins slept; the other didn't. After three and a half years of chronic sleep deprivation, her personal search for answers eventually developed into a professional specialisation in helping children and families for whom conventional sleep advice simply doesn't work. The conversation explores why sleep is such a fundamental building block for resilience and why improving a child's sleep can have effects far beyond bedtime—from emotional regulation and concentration to eating, movement, relationships and the wellbeing of the entire family. Michelle describes sleep as a "golden chain" running through our lives: when sleep improves, other areas have an opportunity to flourish. For neurodivergent children in particular, Michelle challenges the traditional one-size-fits-all approach to sleep. Rather than simply enforcing stricter routines, she encourages parents to understand the individual child's nervous system, sensory needs, anxiety and need to feel genuinely safe. One of her central ideas is beautifully simple: sleep can't be forced. Telling an anxious child to "just go to sleep" is asking them to consciously perform something that happens naturally. Instead, Michelle tells children that "sleep is like a ninja"—it creeps up on you when your brain and body are ready. Tim and Michelle explore practical techniques for helping children develop that sense of safety and independence, including Michelle's "excuse me" game, where parents gradually build trust by briefly leaving the room and reliably returning. The aim isn't simply separation—it's teaching the child's nervous system that *Mum or Dad can leave, come back as promised, and I am still safe*. They also unpack why a rhythm may work better than a rigid routine for children with demand-avoidant profiles, how sensory input before bedtime can actually help a busy body settle, why screens aren't necessarily the enemy, and why teenagers need daylight, movement and clearer separation between their bedroom as a living space and their bed as a place for sleep. Importantly, the episode isn't only about the child's nervous system. Michelle explains how exhausted parents can arrive at bedtime already dysregulated after months or even years of difficult evenings. Her concept of brief "off-duty time"before bedtime gives parents permission to regulate themselves first, so that children can borrow their calm through co-regulation. The result is a refreshingly compassionate conversation about sleep that moves away from blame, battles and endless lists of things parents "should" be doing. Because sometimes the answer isn't trying harder to make a child sleep. It's understanding what this particular child needs to feel safe enough for sleep to come. Key Themes and Takeaways - Why sleep is one of the foundations of physical health, emotional regulation, learning and resilience. - Why conventional sleep advice doesn't always work for autistic, ADHD and PDA children. - Understanding the "busy brain" and why switching off at bedtime can be so difficult. - Why a child's sense of safety can be more important than enforcing a perfect bedtime routine. - Michelle's "sleep is a ninja" analogy—and why children can't simply make themselves fall asleep. - How the "excuse me" game can gradually build trust and independent sleep. - Why neurodivergent children may benefit from a bedtime rhythm rather than a rigid routine. - Understanding PDA and how apparently simple bedtime instructions can become demands that activate a child's threat response. - Why sensory input—movement, pressure, fidgeting and proprioceptive activities—can sometimes help a busy body prepare for sleep. - The importance of following the individual child's sensory preferences rather than assuming one strategy will work for everyone. - Why parents' emotional regulation matters—and how children can borrow our calm through co-regulation. - Michelle's practical idea of giving the parent doing bedtime some "off-duty time" beforehand. - Screens and sleep: why the issue may be more nuanced than simply banning devices before bedtime. - The importance of morning daylight and helping teenagers maintain a healthy body clock. - Why bedrooms that become spaces for gaming, homework, eating and socialising can make it harder for the brain to associate bed with sleep. - The role—and limitations—of melatonin, and why Michelle believes it shouldn't automatically be the first answer to neurodivergent sleep difficulties. - Why improving one child's sleep can transform the wellbeing, relationships and functioning of an entire family. More About Michelle Michelle Cyril is an Advanced Paediatric Sleep Specialist, children's nurse and founder of The Family Sleep Specialist, specialising in sleep support for neurodivergent children and young people. She brings together almost 30 years of experience as a children's nurse, degree-level Advanced Paediatric Sleep training, training in Cognitive Behaviour Therapy for Insomnia (CBT-I), experience within NHS-commissioned children's services and, importantly, her own lived experience as the mother of two neurodivergent children. Michelle specialises in supporting children and teenagers with autism, ADHD and demand-avoidant/PDA profiles, although children do not need a confirmed diagnosis to access her support. Her approach combines evidence-based sleep practice with neuro-affirming principles, focusing on the child's unique sensory needs, emotional regulation, anxiety and sense of safety rather than trying to force them into a standardised sleep routine. Her work also recognises that childhood sleep difficulties rarely affect the child alone. Poor sleep can ripple across parents, siblings, relationships, work and everyday family life—something Michelle and Tim explore extensively in this conversation. Michelle supports families internationally through online consultations and provides free resources for parents wanting to begin understanding their child's sleep differently. Resources The Family Sleep Specialist — Michelle Cyril https://familysleepspecialist.co.uk Free Busy Brains Guide — Helping Autistic and ADHD Children Switch Off at Bedtime https://welcome.familysleepspecialist.co.uk/busy-brains-guide Free Neurodivergent Sleep Help Facebook Community Available through Michelle's website. Michelle specifically directs listeners to both the Busy Brains guide and her free community at the end of the episode. The Resilience Shield https://resilienceshield.com Building Resilient Kids https://resilienceshield.com/kids Michael Gradisar — Sleep Research Michelle references Australian sleep researcher Michael Gradisar's work when discussing adolescents, screens and sleep. Quote of the Episode "Sleep is like a ninja. It's going to just creep up on you." Another Memorable Quote "My child's emotional regulation is far more important than getting the job done." One More Worth Remembering "Your child is wired differently, and they need a different way of approaching bedtime." Reflection Challenge This week, take a look at bedtime through your child's eyes rather than your own. Instead of asking: "Why won't they just go to sleep?" Try asking: "What does my child need to feel safe, regulated and ready for sleep?" Then identify one "should" you can remove from your family's bedtime routine. Maybe brushing teeth happens earlier. Maybe the bath moves away from bedtime. Maybe your busy-body child needs movement rather than quiet time. Or perhaps the parent doing bedtime needs ten minutes of their own off-duty time first. The goal isn't the perfect bedtime routine. It's finding the rhythm that works for your child and your family