Oct 24, 2026 · 44 min · 11 segments
Jordan Roth spent years helping other people bring their creative visions to the stage. Eventually, he began to miss his own. His route back started with something he could…
Jordan RothGuestAdam Charlap HymanGuest
Roland-Philippe KretschmarHostIt's also in a way a mask, right? Because, I mean, you can put on different masks.
You control your persona, the perception of your persona, and in the way you dress, in the way you look.
Because this, as I see it from just where I stand, is... as somebody contributing to the design of the exhibition, to the layout of the exhibition, is that we had to start with the material of the apartment on 12th Street, this home that while being the site of tremendous growth and changes in your life, um was also a reflection of a very particular abstract version of yourself a kind of projection of of something maybe it started as something that felt reflective of who you were but certainly stopped feeling um like an accurate uh projection of of self and the dissonance between who you have become and the kind of multifaceted sides of yourself that you've gotten in touch with and uh and this other version of yourself from the past is visible, is legible in choices relating to fashion, but also choices relating to decor and the things that you construct your home out of.
And so I think the reason that the 12th Street apartment has gotten so fractured in these collaged covers upstairs is because it is something that has become abstract as you remember it and is no longer a fully fleshed out idea of yourself.
This is interesting because when we went through the exhibition, I thought a lot about masks and mirrors and kind of what is the true, who is the true Jordan here? Is there a mask? And you answer it in a beautiful way.
And I think, Adam, you kind of Your perspective on most of the past is very relevant.
Can I ask you, Adam, when you look at the past of Jordan, because you are in a way kind of an archaeologist, right? What do you discover? What have you discovered working with Jordan on this project? We're
It's also in a way a mask, right? Because, I mean, you can put on different masks.
You control your persona, the perception of your persona, and in the way you dress, in the way you look.
Because this, as I see it from just where I stand, is... as somebody contributing to the design of the exhibition, to the layout of the exhibition, is that we had to start with the material of the apartment on 12th Street, this home that while being the site of tremendous growth and changes in your life, um was also a reflection of a very particular abstract version of yourself a kind of projection of of something maybe it started as something that felt reflective of who you were but certainly stopped feeling um like an accurate uh projection of of self and the dissonance between who you have become and the kind of multifaceted sides of yourself that you've gotten in touch with and uh and this other version of yourself from the past is visible, is legible in choices relating to fashion, but also choices relating to decor and the things that you construct your home out of.
And so I think the reason that the 12th Street apartment has gotten so fractured in these collaged covers upstairs is because it is something that has become abstract as you remember it and is no longer a fully fleshed out idea of yourself.
This is interesting because when we went through the exhibition, I thought a lot about masks and mirrors and kind of what is the true, who is the true Jordan here? Is there a mask? And you answer it in a beautiful way.
And I think, Adam, you kind of Your perspective on most of the past is very relevant.
Can I ask you, Adam, when you look at the past of Jordan, because you are in a way kind of an archaeologist, right? What do you discover? What have you discovered working with Jordan on this project? We're
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