Jun 17, 2026 · 50 min · 11 segments
Charles Grimes has spent nearly 30 years as a business psychologist, helping leaders understand themselves so they could lead others well. But he’s also been trying to understand himself, with…
Charles GrimesGuest
Stacy RaineHost
I wanna start by just asking you to tell me about yourself, what do you do, and what sort of led up to you getting this surprising diagnosis?
I've worked in real estate, then I worked in broadcasting, and then for about almost the last 30 years or so, I've worked as a business psychologist.
Well, I go into organizations and help people with their different aspects of leadership.
So it could be, um, team development, people understanding themselves, uh, so that the team can function better and people can feel more appreciated.
So for you, is leadership the equivalent of making people feel appreciated? Like, is that kind of what it boils down to?
It's, I think the, if you had to sum it up, if, you know, a leader is someone who makes their people thrive.
And, uh, that's as good a definition as, um, uh, as I can come up with in, in a single sentence.
Uh, if you could get all your people to thrive, be at their best, wow, that's a, that's a real recipe for success, I think.
it, it isn't, and yet it's surprisingly common that, uh, people are, um, uh, are stressed or unfulfilled, frustrated, and it's, uh, yeah, it's not good at all.
Do you see any sort of commonalities that for, for places that where people are feeling sort of anxious and stressed and unhappy in the workplace? Is it generally because of something, whatever bad leadership is or, or whatever that means?
I wanna start by just asking you to tell me about yourself, what do you do, and what sort of led up to you getting this surprising diagnosis?
I've worked in real estate, then I worked in broadcasting, and then for about almost the last 30 years or so, I've worked as a business psychologist.
Well, I go into organizations and help people with their different aspects of leadership.
So it could be, um, team development, people understanding themselves, uh, so that the team can function better and people can feel more appreciated.
So for you, is leadership the equivalent of making people feel appreciated? Like, is that kind of what it boils down to?
It's, I think the, if you had to sum it up, if, you know, a leader is someone who makes their people thrive.
And, uh, that's as good a definition as, um, uh, as I can come up with in, in a single sentence.
Uh, if you could get all your people to thrive, be at their best, wow, that's a, that's a real recipe for success, I think.
it, it isn't, and yet it's surprisingly common that, uh, people are, um, uh, are stressed or unfulfilled, frustrated, and it's, uh, yeah, it's not good at all.
Do you see any sort of commonalities that for, for places that where people are feeling sort of anxious and stressed and unhappy in the workplace? Is it generally because of something, whatever bad leadership is or, or whatever that means?
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