Joelle CamilleGuestAbhra PalHostSo to get started, can I open the discussion with that focus on failure? So in your line of work and in your ideology, how do you see failure and how important it is to look at it objectively from a man's well-being point of view?

I feel like we have to start with society really, because I feel that as a society, I feel like we have a problem with failure and therefore there's a big impact on us as human beings.

And I certainly have had my own failures in my own life and learnt from them.

And more recently I learned a really beautiful saying, and it says, I win or I learn.

I win means you get the outcome that you want or things are progressing in a way that you want.

I learn is so much kinder and a more compassionate way to look at something that didn't go the way we wanted it to go, which we and society would call a failure.

But I think it's a very big challenge, particularly for men to take on this this view because they are so pushed into the world to be the providers to work to get the house, to get the car, to have the family.

And it can be a very big burden, particularly when I feel what happens with men is they really identify their self-worth and who they are as a man with their work.

And so when something happens with their work, it can have a huge impact on them because it's not only they lost their job or they didn't get the promotion they wanted or they lost money if they're in a business or whatever the situation is, it's also that, oh, there's something wrong with me.
Thank you for sharing that and putting that lens on this very important topic.
So to get started, can I open the discussion with that focus on failure? So in your line of work and in your ideology, how do you see failure and how important it is to look at it objectively from a man's well-being point of view?

I feel like we have to start with society really, because I feel that as a society, I feel like we have a problem with failure and therefore there's a big impact on us as human beings.

And I certainly have had my own failures in my own life and learnt from them.

And more recently I learned a really beautiful saying, and it says, I win or I learn.

I win means you get the outcome that you want or things are progressing in a way that you want.

I learn is so much kinder and a more compassionate way to look at something that didn't go the way we wanted it to go, which we and society would call a failure.

But I think it's a very big challenge, particularly for men to take on this this view because they are so pushed into the world to be the providers to work to get the house, to get the car, to have the family.

And it can be a very big burden, particularly when I feel what happens with men is they really identify their self-worth and who they are as a man with their work.

And so when something happens with their work, it can have a huge impact on them because it's not only they lost their job or they didn't get the promotion they wanted or they lost money if they're in a business or whatever the situation is, it's also that, oh, there's something wrong with me.
Thank you for sharing that and putting that lens on this very important topic.
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