Aug 25, 2026 · 36 min · 10 segments
I recently sat down with Dane Groeneveld for the second part of our conversation on Snafu, where we went deeper into his journey, his thinking on teams and leadership, and what it takes to navigate…
Let's shift to AI for a minute and then we'll go back to your background because I think this stratification blue collar versus white collar is the old analogy is fascinating.
What like, maybe broadly on AI Doomer, there's a 70% chance that AI is going to kill us in our lifetimes, all the way through Ezra Klein's abundance and the abundance agenda and like the world is going to be even better.
And the coral reefs that you and I both love as surfers and grew up swimming in are going to come back in our lifetimes.
Where do you fall based on what in terms of technological adoption and the state of the world?
I'm sitting on both sides of the coin, which is not being on the fence because I think it's a timing equation.
I think we're going to see a lot more negativity and destruction in the near term because I think we haven't yet worked out how to scale AI in an environmentally sustainable way.
We haven't worked out how to deploy AI in a human-centric way in our businesses yet.
We're living in a world where two out of three employees are turning up to work disengaged.
So I'm disappointed in the near term, which is why we're doing things like creating the mill and really investing our time into human connection and anything that allows people to come together and apply judgment, taste, philosophy to the work that they do.
And yet I am, having worked in technical industries, grown up in technical industries, I'm broadly optimistic that we will solve those problems as long as we persist.
And a friend of mine, Gary Ridge, used the word just this morning, actually, on being intelligently patient about And I think that there has to be a little bit of that too.
You can't throw the whole thing out just because it's not working optimally yet, because had we done all of the other technologies we rely on today, we wouldn't have had any of them.
How are you thinking about your children's use of technology and screens and AI particularly? And also maybe if you will, what, what age range are you looking at? What, how old are your
Let's shift to AI for a minute and then we'll go back to your background because I think this stratification blue collar versus white collar is the old analogy is fascinating.
What like, maybe broadly on AI Doomer, there's a 70% chance that AI is going to kill us in our lifetimes, all the way through Ezra Klein's abundance and the abundance agenda and like the world is going to be even better.
And the coral reefs that you and I both love as surfers and grew up swimming in are going to come back in our lifetimes.
Where do you fall based on what in terms of technological adoption and the state of the world?
I'm sitting on both sides of the coin, which is not being on the fence because I think it's a timing equation.
I think we're going to see a lot more negativity and destruction in the near term because I think we haven't yet worked out how to scale AI in an environmentally sustainable way.
We haven't worked out how to deploy AI in a human-centric way in our businesses yet.
We're living in a world where two out of three employees are turning up to work disengaged.
So I'm disappointed in the near term, which is why we're doing things like creating the mill and really investing our time into human connection and anything that allows people to come together and apply judgment, taste, philosophy to the work that they do.
And yet I am, having worked in technical industries, grown up in technical industries, I'm broadly optimistic that we will solve those problems as long as we persist.
And a friend of mine, Gary Ridge, used the word just this morning, actually, on being intelligently patient about And I think that there has to be a little bit of that too.
You can't throw the whole thing out just because it's not working optimally yet, because had we done all of the other technologies we rely on today, we wouldn't have had any of them.
How are you thinking about your children's use of technology and screens and AI particularly? And also maybe if you will, what, what age range are you looking at? What, how old are your
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