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Room for Nuance

Room for Nuance

The Perfect Church: Church Growth Guru?

Jul 24, 2026 · 3 min · 2 segments

*The Perfect Church* will be released by Christian Focus Publications at the end of this year.

Speakers: Sean DeMarsHost

Top entities: Sean Demars×4 God×4 Christian Focus Publications TED

Opening Greeting & Context0:00 – 0:29

Sean DeMarsHost

0:00

Well, hello, Room for Nuance fans.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:02

It's me, your fearless and faithful leader, Shonda Mars.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:06

What you're about to hear is an excerpt from a book tentatively titled, The Perfect Church, which is set to be released the year 1865 by Christian Focus.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:18

I hope you enjoy.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:19

I hope you laugh.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:21

I hope you cry.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:21

I hope you do both at the same time.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:24

I hope that you are edified, that the church is built up, and that God is glorified.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:28

Enjoy.

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Sean DemarsPerson
88%4 mentions
GodEntitySupreme being
63%4 mentions
Christian Focus PublicationsCompany
38%1 mention
TEDEntityConference
13%1 mention

LeadershipReligion > Church
SpiritualityReligion > Church
CongregationReligion > Church
Pastoral CareReligion > Church > Leadership
MinistryReligion > Church
Religion
GrowthReligion > Church
ChurchReligion
Community DynamicsReligion > Church > Growth
Visitor ExperienceReligion > Church > Growth > Community Dynamics
Faith PracticesReligion > Church > Spirituality
Ordinary Means of GraceReligion > Church > Spirituality > Faith Practices
TransformationReligion > Church > Congregation
RevitalizationReligion > Church > Congregation > Transformation
Member EngagementReligion > Church > Ministry
Visitor OutreachReligion > Church > Ministry > Member Engagement
Congregational GrowthReligion > Church > Leadership > Pastoral Care

Opening Greeting & Context0:00 – 0:29

Sean DeMarsHost

0:00

Well, hello, Room for Nuance fans.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:02

It's me, your fearless and faithful leader, Shonda Mars.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:06

What you're about to hear is an excerpt from a book tentatively titled, The Perfect Church, which is set to be released the year 1865 by Christian Focus.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:18

I hope you enjoy.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:19

I hope you laugh.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:21

I hope you cry.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:21

I hope you do both at the same time.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:24

I hope that you are edified, that the church is built up, and that God is glorified.

Sean DeMarsHost

0:28

Enjoy.