Jordan JonesGuestShelley MartinkusHostKate JonesGuestJason MartinkusHost
I finally understood that building trust was solely for her benefit and really had nothing to do with me.

Meaning, like, in the past, I was trying to build trust so that my life would be better and easier.

And now I'm on the other side of this going, like, what was I thinking? Like, it's all about building trust so that she can...

have a better life so that she can feel safe and secure and confident and free.

embarrassing because it's like, it needed to click into place and it just didn't click for a long time.

Um, the other thing that I, uh, that I really clicked was that the trust that I was trying to build with her had, had mostly to do with who I was becoming and my character.

Again, it's like I had done a bunch of stuff in the past so that she would trust me or feel trusting of me, but that was all about me.

Now I want to become the kind of man that, that she feels confident and trusting.

And it's like some light bulbs that just like hadn't gone off, went off, finally went off.
I mean, to your point that you said profound, it's like the shame keeps you in a dark room.
You don't get light bulbs to go off when you're living in shame, when you're living in secrets.

I was, I was finally in a place where I could go, you know what? I'm not super Jordan and I don't have to be super Jordan.

I finally understood that building trust was solely for her benefit and really had nothing to do with me.

Meaning, like, in the past, I was trying to build trust so that my life would be better and easier.

And now I'm on the other side of this going, like, what was I thinking? Like, it's all about building trust so that she can...

have a better life so that she can feel safe and secure and confident and free.

embarrassing because it's like, it needed to click into place and it just didn't click for a long time.

Um, the other thing that I, uh, that I really clicked was that the trust that I was trying to build with her had, had mostly to do with who I was becoming and my character.

Again, it's like I had done a bunch of stuff in the past so that she would trust me or feel trusting of me, but that was all about me.

Now I want to become the kind of man that, that she feels confident and trusting.

And it's like some light bulbs that just like hadn't gone off, went off, finally went off.
I mean, to your point that you said profound, it's like the shame keeps you in a dark room.
You don't get light bulbs to go off when you're living in shame, when you're living in secrets.

I was, I was finally in a place where I could go, you know what? I'm not super Jordan and I don't have to be super Jordan.
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