Untitled Episode
Jun 10, 2026 · 47 min · 11 segments
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Julie FergusonGuestAlbertGuest
Klas BäckGuestKapilHost
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Jun 10, 2026 · 47 min · 11 segments
Julie FergusonGuestAlbertGuestKlas BäckGuestKapilHostNo entities detected.
Yeah.
I think you mentioned a little bit, I think the more experienced you are, the more you'll get done because you have a long list of things that you've been thinking about.
So that's the way I perceive a lot of it.
But then the less of that kind of to-do list you have, I think the more scary it is, 'cause if you're being told, "This is what you should do," and then you do it in two minutes, and then you're like, "Uh-oh."
[laughs]
Um, maybe that, maybe that curiosi- I mean, of course, there are people who are super curious and who dive into, like, the next question or they wanna push it, but I think it exposes your, almost your personality a little bit in terms of, like, do you have the curiosity and the question.
That's kind of what I...
I guess it's too, I don't know.
The, the models and the s- the tools may be prompting the users too.
Like, you should probably think about putting this on your list next, right? That's how we like to think about it with what the stuff we're building too.
Like, some users just don't know what the next step is, so you can help them with that.
Some people have a long list.
I mean, is it, are we all just doing m- more and better and more stuff on the list every day that's incremental? Or, I mean, ig- ignoring that you may be using tools and stuff that are new for you, is there anyone doing something radically different as a function of AI? I don't know if we stay in our payment space.
Within the payment space and even within, you know, the work space, I think there are people who are doing new things because they have a little bit more time.
So that's why I'm like, I don't really know if we're gonna get the big lifts that everybody is projecting, right? Or they're predicting.
You said something that I think we run into just in our use kind of at Pagos, which is like, you do need to hit, like, being trusting or you need customers to trust you, then you need a human in review of some kind.
You run out-- human boundary is the number of hours.
Like, yeah, you know, and then all of a sudden there's a backlog of pull requests or projects thatYou know, and then you're still hitting up on boundaries.
Yeah.
I think you mentioned a little bit, I think the more experienced you are, the more you'll get done because you have a long list of things that you've been thinking about.
So that's the way I perceive a lot of it.
But then the less of that kind of to-do list you have, I think the more scary it is, 'cause if you're being told, "This is what you should do," and then you do it in two minutes, and then you're like, "Uh-oh."
[laughs]
Um, maybe that, maybe that curiosi- I mean, of course, there are people who are super curious and who dive into, like, the next question or they wanna push it, but I think it exposes your, almost your personality a little bit in terms of, like, do you have the curiosity and the question.
That's kind of what I...
I guess it's too, I don't know.
The, the models and the s- the tools may be prompting the users too.
Like, you should probably think about putting this on your list next, right? That's how we like to think about it with what the stuff we're building too.
Like, some users just don't know what the next step is, so you can help them with that.
Some people have a long list.
I mean, is it, are we all just doing m- more and better and more stuff on the list every day that's incremental? Or, I mean, ig- ignoring that you may be using tools and stuff that are new for you, is there anyone doing something radically different as a function of AI? I don't know if we stay in our payment space.
Within the payment space and even within, you know, the work space, I think there are people who are doing new things because they have a little bit more time.
So that's why I'm like, I don't really know if we're gonna get the big lifts that everybody is projecting, right? Or they're predicting.
You said something that I think we run into just in our use kind of at Pagos, which is like, you do need to hit, like, being trusting or you need customers to trust you, then you need a human in review of some kind.
You run out-- human boundary is the number of hours.
Like, yeah, you know, and then all of a sudden there's a backlog of pull requests or projects thatYou know, and then you're still hitting up on boundaries.
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