Purpose and Profit: The Sustainable Therapy Practice Podcast
Aug 4, 2026 · 53 min · 16 segments
Emily McNamara left a corporate finance career to build her own bookkeeping firm, then her world fell apart during a move overseas and a therapist put it back…
Emily McNamaraGuest
Cecilia MannellaHost
I think what struck me when we first met, because, um, we had a bit of a, kind of a coffee connection-

... let's say virtually first before deciding to do this podcast, it was that there's-- we talked a little bit about creating stories of our money.

Like, what does money-- like, what is the story? Like, we can see money as, like, numbers, like you said, like the bookkeeping kind of boring thing-

Um, and most people in the helping profession just, like, do not love money and numbers because it just feels so, I don't know, abstract maybe.

Um, but we talked a little bit about, like, the stories that a- like, what does it actually mean? Like, what, what do these things actually mean? And that's what was really interesting in your approach was is, like, it's this relationship around what does these numbers actually mean versus it just being, "Oh, you owe this much in taxes.

See you later next year." So how did you come to see money as this much more engaging thing versus it being just, like, numbers on a spreadsheet?

Um, I think that kind of goes back to my own personal story a, a bit, of, uh-

... of wanting to pursue business ownership- So that I could have the flexibility and freedom in my, in my own life.

... and not wanting to, um, not wanting to have to choose one third or another, which, which is why I feel like many people end up in, in this position of, of ownership.

Um, and so being able to kind of focus on the reality of that, like this, this very human thing of like, yeah, you're trying to build a business.

So we can dig into the nitty-gritty of what that looks like, um, and certain metrics and, and things that we do need to track.

... want to be successful in the long term, you do have to get comfortable with that even if it starts from a very uncomfortable, uncertain place.

I think what struck me when we first met, because, um, we had a bit of a, kind of a coffee connection-

... let's say virtually first before deciding to do this podcast, it was that there's-- we talked a little bit about creating stories of our money.

Like, what does money-- like, what is the story? Like, we can see money as, like, numbers, like you said, like the bookkeeping kind of boring thing-

Um, and most people in the helping profession just, like, do not love money and numbers because it just feels so, I don't know, abstract maybe.

Um, but we talked a little bit about, like, the stories that a- like, what does it actually mean? Like, what, what do these things actually mean? And that's what was really interesting in your approach was is, like, it's this relationship around what does these numbers actually mean versus it just being, "Oh, you owe this much in taxes.

See you later next year." So how did you come to see money as this much more engaging thing versus it being just, like, numbers on a spreadsheet?

Um, I think that kind of goes back to my own personal story a, a bit, of, uh-

... of wanting to pursue business ownership- So that I could have the flexibility and freedom in my, in my own life.

... and not wanting to, um, not wanting to have to choose one third or another, which, which is why I feel like many people end up in, in this position of, of ownership.

Um, and so being able to kind of focus on the reality of that, like this, this very human thing of like, yeah, you're trying to build a business.

So we can dig into the nitty-gritty of what that looks like, um, and certain metrics and, and things that we do need to track.

... want to be successful in the long term, you do have to get comfortable with that even if it starts from a very uncomfortable, uncertain place.
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