Proc-N-Roll : Your guide to practical procurement!
Sep 1, 2026 · 44 min · 11 segments
In this special in-studio jam session, Conrad sits down with Natasha Gurevich live at Graphite Headquarters. Fresh off her week at Sundance Mountain Resort for a senior leadership program, Natasha…
But when we are in the leadership roles, I think we have to double check ourselves on how closely and tightly we clinging on to something that is not actually ours.
And we feel that the more... we have that is ours, then as if that elevates us, so we have probably just the regular human propensity to be possessive.
And I think that for us as leaders, it's very important to realize that none of it is ours.
And I think that this is where leadership philosophy and how we lead the teams is very important because if everything is temporary, if everything is rented, if nothing is owned, then what can we do? Probably the best thing for us, just be a great renter.
you're reminding me a lot of a principle out of the book, Good to Great.
It talks about level five leadership.
And one of the principles that always stands out to me is that when a level five leader is done in the role, they move on from this rented position.
I think you talked about like the space on the top of the mountain is really small and the oxygen is really low, right? Like you're going to move on.
When that person moves on, The organization thrives in their absence.
The next leader steps into the role.
The organization has systems and operations that operate without them.
But when we are in the leadership roles, I think we have to double check ourselves on how closely and tightly we clinging on to something that is not actually ours.
And we feel that the more... we have that is ours, then as if that elevates us, so we have probably just the regular human propensity to be possessive.
And I think that for us as leaders, it's very important to realize that none of it is ours.
And I think that this is where leadership philosophy and how we lead the teams is very important because if everything is temporary, if everything is rented, if nothing is owned, then what can we do? Probably the best thing for us, just be a great renter.
you're reminding me a lot of a principle out of the book, Good to Great.
It talks about level five leadership.
And one of the principles that always stands out to me is that when a level five leader is done in the role, they move on from this rented position.
I think you talked about like the space on the top of the mountain is really small and the oxygen is really low, right? Like you're going to move on.
When that person moves on, The organization thrives in their absence.
The next leader steps into the role.
The organization has systems and operations that operate without them.
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