Oct 7, 2026 · 40 min · 12 segments
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Samira DaswaniHost
We can talk about metastatic triple negative breast cancer because it feels like that's one of the more dynamic areas today that is evolving.
So it really has evolved from where initially, quite a number of years ago, it was chemotherapy.
And then certainly the evolution of PD-L1 and targeted agents against that and immunotherapy, pembrolizumab really just completely changed the landscape.
Briefly, we had a different immunotherapy agent Ticentric that was on the books for a while.
And we see that in the metastatic setting and those that have, you know, a certain level of expression of that PD-L1 target.
I would say that was kind of one of those first steps that here we have this additional agent beyond just straight chemotherapy.
And then I think what we're, you know, the thing that the cool thing we get to talk about today is like how that's evolved further with now these antibody drug conjugates and that are able to really more precisely kind of in a way deliver that, right? You have this chemotherapy that's attached to this antibody and then how patients are tolerating those medicines and then some of the recent data that we've seen about benefits.
So PD-L1, you know, you have this interplay with T cells, your immune system in your body, and cancer cells.
And what happens is you get, you know, when there's in the setting of active cancer, you kind of have the brakes put on your own innate immune system.
So it basically allows your immune system to become kind of more active again, which then can help with that overall treatment response.
Now, on the flip side, that also means we've now dealt with new and emerging toxicities that are very different than what we see with chemotherapy.
So in the setting of this kind of upregulated, almost immune system, right, you've taken those breaks off, you see a lot of inflammation.
So in different parts of the body, Often, you know, if it's significant enough based upon those symptoms, then that's where we pull in things like steroids to help then dampen the immune system.
And so when I'm talking to patients, we talk about the standard side effects from chemotherapy, and then we talk about what might happen with the immunotherapy.

We can talk about metastatic triple negative breast cancer because it feels like that's one of the more dynamic areas today that is evolving.
So it really has evolved from where initially, quite a number of years ago, it was chemotherapy.
And then certainly the evolution of PD-L1 and targeted agents against that and immunotherapy, pembrolizumab really just completely changed the landscape.
Briefly, we had a different immunotherapy agent Ticentric that was on the books for a while.
And we see that in the metastatic setting and those that have, you know, a certain level of expression of that PD-L1 target.
I would say that was kind of one of those first steps that here we have this additional agent beyond just straight chemotherapy.
And then I think what we're, you know, the thing that the cool thing we get to talk about today is like how that's evolved further with now these antibody drug conjugates and that are able to really more precisely kind of in a way deliver that, right? You have this chemotherapy that's attached to this antibody and then how patients are tolerating those medicines and then some of the recent data that we've seen about benefits.
So PD-L1, you know, you have this interplay with T cells, your immune system in your body, and cancer cells.
And what happens is you get, you know, when there's in the setting of active cancer, you kind of have the brakes put on your own innate immune system.
So it basically allows your immune system to become kind of more active again, which then can help with that overall treatment response.
Now, on the flip side, that also means we've now dealt with new and emerging toxicities that are very different than what we see with chemotherapy.
So in the setting of this kind of upregulated, almost immune system, right, you've taken those breaks off, you see a lot of inflammation.
So in different parts of the body, Often, you know, if it's significant enough based upon those symptoms, then that's where we pull in things like steroids to help then dampen the immune system.
And so when I'm talking to patients, we talk about the standard side effects from chemotherapy, and then we talk about what might happen with the immunotherapy.
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