Oct 16, 2026 · 57 min · 11 segments
Seán opens up to Kieran about living on edge under the constant threat of intimidation from drug gangs. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Ciaran CudahyHostBreda FellGuestGwen McKennaGuest
That vigil, that protest, uh, outside the door, by the way, the 3rd of November, as, as Breda and Gwen, uh, said.
Um, Louise, have you a suggestion as to how we might deal with this as a society? A watershed moment is how, uh, Jim O'Callaghan describes it.
Yes.
Hello, Kieran.
Yes, I do.
And I suppose I'm coming from a situation of experiencing much of what has already been discussed, and I won't, don't really want to go back into that again.
But at the time that we were living through this situation over many years, what we felt is, and, and I, I never thought that I would hear myself say this, but I think the whole, um, drug situ- the, the whole thing has to be addressed by legalizing the products.
Because if the steam is take, is, is taken out of the market.
Basically, o- okay, I suppose there are two aspects to this.
There is the addiction aspect, which we have to deal with, and it's familial and it's societal, and we have to deal with that.
But what is causing all the trauma and murder and violence and coercion is the selling, distribution, and collection of the debt, of the product-
... of the commodities, which drugs are.
And the only way, just as with prohibition in America, and I don't know the dates, but just as with prohibition, the only thing, you know, the amount of coercive behavior and coercive, uh, uh, uh, um, you know, groups that grew up around that, the only way to take the heat out of it so that we can concentrate on the addiction bit, is to legalize the products-
... that are causing this.
It, it would be, um, yeah, it, it, look, all, all solutions should be welcomed if it's a watershed moment.
Well, as far as I know-
Yeah.
Mm-hmm
... yeah, just imagine, imagine somebody kind of running up a, a, a drug debt and, uh, a- and, and the drug dealer now, who's kind of a, a legal entity-
That vigil, that protest, uh, outside the door, by the way, the 3rd of November, as, as Breda and Gwen, uh, said.
Um, Louise, have you a suggestion as to how we might deal with this as a society? A watershed moment is how, uh, Jim O'Callaghan describes it.
Yes.
Hello, Kieran.
Yes, I do.
And I suppose I'm coming from a situation of experiencing much of what has already been discussed, and I won't, don't really want to go back into that again.
But at the time that we were living through this situation over many years, what we felt is, and, and I, I never thought that I would hear myself say this, but I think the whole, um, drug situ- the, the whole thing has to be addressed by legalizing the products.
Because if the steam is take, is, is taken out of the market.
Basically, o- okay, I suppose there are two aspects to this.
There is the addiction aspect, which we have to deal with, and it's familial and it's societal, and we have to deal with that.
But what is causing all the trauma and murder and violence and coercion is the selling, distribution, and collection of the debt, of the product-
... of the commodities, which drugs are.
And the only way, just as with prohibition in America, and I don't know the dates, but just as with prohibition, the only thing, you know, the amount of coercive behavior and coercive, uh, uh, uh, um, you know, groups that grew up around that, the only way to take the heat out of it so that we can concentrate on the addiction bit, is to legalize the products-
... that are causing this.
It, it would be, um, yeah, it, it, look, all, all solutions should be welcomed if it's a watershed moment.
Well, as far as I know-
Yeah.
Mm-hmm
... yeah, just imagine, imagine somebody kind of running up a, a, a drug debt and, uh, a- and, and the drug dealer now, who's kind of a, a legal entity-
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