George WoodGuestI want to talk with you about high schools, later your own and your interesting history.
Um, but to begin with, I was rereading not only some of your work, but other work about high school reform, including, um, sort of the, the grandfather of, of, um, high school critique, Ted Sizer's Horace's Compromise and then Horace's School and so on.
Sizer, 40-some years ago said traditional high schools that we've all come to accept are, are not in great shape, that students are rendered, um, passive, anonymous.
They're going through the motions of learning, and the teachers are often just going through the motions, too.
Do you agree with that? And if so, to what extent do you think it's still true in the 21st century?

Um, I think Ted was exactly right then, uh, and, and that gave birth to the Coalition of Essential Schools and a number of other things.

Uh, some things that Ted and the Coalition and others pushed real hard have become somewhat the norm.

It's not unusual to find block scheduling, right? Not doing 40-minute periods, but doing longer-

But on the other hand, a lot of the structures have proved to be pretty doggone difficult to move.

Um, the notion that teachers teach a single subject, the notion that kids areUm, punished by rewards, as someone I know once said

Um, and, and in some ways they're worse off, and that comes from the pressure from states and sometimes local school boards to limit what can be talked about and what can be discussed.
I want to talk with you about high schools, later your own and your interesting history.
Um, but to begin with, I was rereading not only some of your work, but other work about high school reform, including, um, sort of the, the grandfather of, of, um, high school critique, Ted Sizer's Horace's Compromise and then Horace's School and so on.
Sizer, 40-some years ago said traditional high schools that we've all come to accept are, are not in great shape, that students are rendered, um, passive, anonymous.
They're going through the motions of learning, and the teachers are often just going through the motions, too.
Do you agree with that? And if so, to what extent do you think it's still true in the 21st century?

Um, I think Ted was exactly right then, uh, and, and that gave birth to the Coalition of Essential Schools and a number of other things.

Uh, some things that Ted and the Coalition and others pushed real hard have become somewhat the norm.

It's not unusual to find block scheduling, right? Not doing 40-minute periods, but doing longer-

But on the other hand, a lot of the structures have proved to be pretty doggone difficult to move.

Um, the notion that teachers teach a single subject, the notion that kids areUm, punished by rewards, as someone I know once said

Um, and, and in some ways they're worse off, and that comes from the pressure from states and sometimes local school boards to limit what can be talked about and what can be discussed.
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