Jul 8, 2026 · 39 min · 10 segments
What if your symptoms are not the enemy? What if they are signals? In this week's episode of the Know Better | Do Better podcast, Autumn sits down with Nicholas Leach…
Nicholas LeachGuestAutumn McLeesHostWhat does that mean for those listening, maybe for the first time, and then give us a quick little snapshot of you and how you came into this.

Um, So we're used to fighting symptoms, you know, when you get a headache or you have high blood pressure.

Typically, the model that we grew up in was, okay, we need to take something to suppress the symptom.

So inherently to that approach, you're teaching people to fear symptoms, to see them as the enemies.

But fundamental to the terrain healing is this understanding that symptoms are the body trying to return back to balance, to return to homeostasis.

Um, we get to inhabit it and we, we get to, uh, cherish it and, and learn about it, but it, it operates through an intelligence and through purpose.

So every symptom is really a language that the body's expressing its feedback.

It's saying, you know, there's, there's something that's a the pharmaceutical allopathic model has taught us to see it as an enemy.

The terrain-based healing is this understanding that you're not fighting symptoms.

You're going to look at the conditions that allowed for those symptoms to rise in the first place.

You're looking at the The terrain of the body, which also includes the mind, very important, the mind and body, right, are one thing.

And so terrain-based healing is really not getting distracted by the outer expression of the symptoms and instead healing.

reading the signal and understanding what could be causing it and going, you know, kind of tracing it back, following those breadcrumbs back to what those root causes might be.

We know that those aren't causing the symptoms that they have a role to play in the process that the body goes through when it's healing, but we're not fighting them.
What does that mean for those listening, maybe for the first time, and then give us a quick little snapshot of you and how you came into this.

Um, So we're used to fighting symptoms, you know, when you get a headache or you have high blood pressure.

Typically, the model that we grew up in was, okay, we need to take something to suppress the symptom.

So inherently to that approach, you're teaching people to fear symptoms, to see them as the enemies.

But fundamental to the terrain healing is this understanding that symptoms are the body trying to return back to balance, to return to homeostasis.

Um, we get to inhabit it and we, we get to, uh, cherish it and, and learn about it, but it, it operates through an intelligence and through purpose.

So every symptom is really a language that the body's expressing its feedback.

It's saying, you know, there's, there's something that's a the pharmaceutical allopathic model has taught us to see it as an enemy.

The terrain-based healing is this understanding that you're not fighting symptoms.

You're going to look at the conditions that allowed for those symptoms to rise in the first place.

You're looking at the The terrain of the body, which also includes the mind, very important, the mind and body, right, are one thing.

And so terrain-based healing is really not getting distracted by the outer expression of the symptoms and instead healing.

reading the signal and understanding what could be causing it and going, you know, kind of tracing it back, following those breadcrumbs back to what those root causes might be.

We know that those aren't causing the symptoms that they have a role to play in the process that the body goes through when it's healing, but we're not fighting them.
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