Aug 25, 2026 · 2 hr 4 min · 17 segments
What if the way we’ve been taught to think about addiction and recovery is actually getting in the way of helping people? In this episode, I sit down with harm reduction pioneer DeeDee Stout to talk…
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Dee Dee StoutGuest
Kirsten JohnsonHost
I, that's what I think I loved, and I probably gravitated towards this because it has 12 step in the, like, in a 12-step world-
... "Ooh, that, that kinda speaks to me." But one of the things I loved about this, and again, highly recommend it.
I, I started going through fast, and I was like, "No, I'm going through slow." That's, I have so many notes.
Um, but I love that you interviewed in this one some of the, um, some of the people who were the, the very, the, the OGs, I guess, of harm reduction.
Harm reduction OGs, and to hear their individual stories, whether it was the, the person who founded Smart Recovery, Tom, or, or whoever it was, I was like, "Oh, this is so interesting to hear what these people were thinking, a lot of it back in the '90s."
And that we're still so far from having it be part of the mainstream narrative.
You might be more challenging a lot of e- ideas around AA a- and others, that sort of traditional thing, and y- definitely you're being more provocative than I am most of the time, and that's not a judgment.
I, that's what I think I loved, and I probably gravitated towards this because it has 12 step in the, like, in a 12-step world-
... "Ooh, that, that kinda speaks to me." But one of the things I loved about this, and again, highly recommend it.
I, I started going through fast, and I was like, "No, I'm going through slow." That's, I have so many notes.
Um, but I love that you interviewed in this one some of the, um, some of the people who were the, the very, the, the OGs, I guess, of harm reduction.
Harm reduction OGs, and to hear their individual stories, whether it was the, the person who founded Smart Recovery, Tom, or, or whoever it was, I was like, "Oh, this is so interesting to hear what these people were thinking, a lot of it back in the '90s."
And that we're still so far from having it be part of the mainstream narrative.
You might be more challenging a lot of e- ideas around AA a- and others, that sort of traditional thing, and y- definitely you're being more provocative than I am most of the time, and that's not a judgment.
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