And that's a huge step to take.

That's right.

One of the things, when, when I said I came to Alan Marlatt via relapse prevention, I did my master's thesis on relapse prevention.

Everybody and their brother had relapse prevention classes or groups or something, all the treatment agencies here in San Francisco area, and we used to have a ton of treatment rehabs around here.

Not so many anymore.

And I was really curious about how people thought of relapse prevention.

What did they mean when they said relapse prevention groups? And that was my study.

Yeah