It's not all about the numbers!
Oct 27, 2026 · 21 min · 8 segments
**Another training course. Another PowerPoint. Another day you'll never get back?** We've all been there. A full day of corporate training, a few interesting slides, maybe a free lunch... and by…
Chris ArgentHost
Mike RoseHost
Joel JohansenGuest
I think, so I remember someone saying to me ages ago that, it was a really naff kind of expression, but he said, remember, self-development is not the same as shelf development.

And he was like, don't buy loads of books, don't buy loads of courses, don't go on things, you know, and just stick it on the shelf, make sure you use it, make sure it's applied, make sure you're able to, you know, build a capability from whatever you're learning.

And I think that's, that's, How I sort of wanted to approach this subject about corporate training, I'm sure we've all been on courses where we've sort of been told to get into the classroom together and we've been told to learn certain things.

Could be anything from a bit of leadership training to a new software that we need to learn.

But I think what I don't get about training generally is the lack of application generally that can sort of be presented.

And the value of it, I think, seems to have come down an awful lot with our good friends AI.

So where does it leave kind of corporate training and the value of it? And what should we actually be aiming for? now in this world where you could literally turn around to an ai and say you know be my podcast coach trainer and tell me how to deliver this properly because it's been a couple of weeks i thought you were going

to say co-host i'd be my podcast co-host that's a hard that's a harsh way to find out

sorry guys you dropped i've ripped your voices and you know what he's better so but what do you think mike we've been talking a bit about this

I know you said university training was at off limits in effect, but corporate training is effectively similar to university training, which is you go to a lecture, you get lectured at, and hopefully you'll get something from it and you go away.

I've definitely been on a zillion training courses over the years where that's been the structure.

And quite often in those kind of events, you may get one or two nuggets of wisdom out of a whole day, or maybe even one or two nuggets of wisdom out of a whole week.

So I think for me that the thing that needs to change or is changing or needs to be thought about with regards to corporate training is actually it being for the people that are there.

So rather than it being, this is something we want to tell you, it's much more, okay, so people, what is it that you want to know? And I think that that just kind of pivots it on its head a little bit.

And yeah, so that's kind of like my view is we need to make sure that people are getting more than one or two nuggets of useful stuff out of a whole day of training.

I think, so I remember someone saying to me ages ago that, it was a really naff kind of expression, but he said, remember, self-development is not the same as shelf development.

And he was like, don't buy loads of books, don't buy loads of courses, don't go on things, you know, and just stick it on the shelf, make sure you use it, make sure it's applied, make sure you're able to, you know, build a capability from whatever you're learning.

And I think that's, that's, How I sort of wanted to approach this subject about corporate training, I'm sure we've all been on courses where we've sort of been told to get into the classroom together and we've been told to learn certain things.

Could be anything from a bit of leadership training to a new software that we need to learn.

But I think what I don't get about training generally is the lack of application generally that can sort of be presented.

And the value of it, I think, seems to have come down an awful lot with our good friends AI.

So where does it leave kind of corporate training and the value of it? And what should we actually be aiming for? now in this world where you could literally turn around to an ai and say you know be my podcast coach trainer and tell me how to deliver this properly because it's been a couple of weeks i thought you were going

to say co-host i'd be my podcast co-host that's a hard that's a harsh way to find out

sorry guys you dropped i've ripped your voices and you know what he's better so but what do you think mike we've been talking a bit about this

I know you said university training was at off limits in effect, but corporate training is effectively similar to university training, which is you go to a lecture, you get lectured at, and hopefully you'll get something from it and you go away.

I've definitely been on a zillion training courses over the years where that's been the structure.

And quite often in those kind of events, you may get one or two nuggets of wisdom out of a whole day, or maybe even one or two nuggets of wisdom out of a whole week.

So I think for me that the thing that needs to change or is changing or needs to be thought about with regards to corporate training is actually it being for the people that are there.

So rather than it being, this is something we want to tell you, it's much more, okay, so people, what is it that you want to know? And I think that that just kind of pivots it on its head a little bit.

And yeah, so that's kind of like my view is we need to make sure that people are getting more than one or two nuggets of useful stuff out of a whole day of training.
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