357: John Brocas Part 1

think when I entered, it was probably still very much a bits and bytes type environment.

We were still talking a lot about governance structures that were probably not fully formed yet.

We didn't have the same level of interest in it from, certainly from regulators, legislators, that kind of thing.

We had no concept of things like, you know, GDPR, for instance.

And that's a massive change.

COVID was a real turning point, I think, for the industry, because suddenly, pretty much overnight...

We had to move to an environment where we're protecting data that's not within the strict confines of the organization.

So in people's homes, it was going to be used by people where you had no control over it at all.

And so we had to adapt as an industry to that.

And I think that was actually very good for us.

And then obviously bringing it bang up to date now, as you've just mentioned, we've got things like AI.

We've got a much, much better understanding in the boardroom of the value of data, not just within the company, but to other people who may want to exfiltrate it, steal it, fiddle with it, do whatever with it for their own good.

And so I think we've moved from being... quite a technically focused space.

And typically you would have people moving into that from IT, they would move in perhaps from the police force and the military, that kind of thing, into it being something that is much, much more business related today.

That's not to say that we've done away with all of that technical aspect, but the relevance of the need for business resilience.

Those are the sorts of things that people are now much more excited about than they were before, because I think you could probably get away with things a little bit more in the past.

Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of education coming from intelligence work, intelligence services that are bringing in.

You've got the technological, you've got geospatial, you've got human intelligence.

There's so much that's coming into it now.

It's gone beyond it just being a guy with a computer and trying to identify.

There's a whole gamut of it.

In one of your podcasts, one of your interviews, you were talking about the change in paradigm in 2026, you know, the emerging threat.

And I'd like to talk a little bit about those emerging threats and what they kind of mean in the legal industry, because, as you know, in the financial industry is very sensitive.

But I don't think the legal industry is ready for it.

I don't think the legal industry, from what I see, understands the potential of these emerging threats in the cases and the data and analysis that they're dealing with on a day-to-day basis.