Indy Politics Podcast with Abdul-Hakim Shabazz
Oct 9, 2026 · 19 min · 11 segments
Indianapolis City-County Councilor and tech expert Michael Paul Hart joins Indy Politics to discuss Flock license-plate reader cameras, privacy concerns and the safeguards the city should consider.
Abdul-Hakim ShabazzHostI think that's the big thing to, you know, really put a label on it first.
But they're a particular brand that, you know, I think are probably one of the more popular ones.
uh branding around them and there's they're used both in in the public sector where you know we as our uh city of indianapolis they have i want to say you know round numbers 300 throughout the city but they're also community and business based cameras so folks that live in particular neighborhoods can go buy them connect to a flock system and then people who are business owners can also buy them connect and so what they do is then they share this network of information amongst them uh and then that is intended to support uh police and and uh enforcement officials and investigations and things of that nature
now uh as a tech guy you would read about these things um when did they come about uh how did they get started because it just seems like a kind of a fancy radar detector
So what's interesting about it is, you know, I think they came out at the same time as they're very similar to like these ring cameras.
They all were all coming up about at the same time, right? I think that's where most people are familiar with them on a residential basis is like, okay, yeah, I've got those.
for quite some time actually even prior to or in parallel with the license plate reader cameras the city's been using a program the entire time i've been around which is going on eight years now what's called a blue link program and so you know there's all sorts of other cameras integrated throughout the city of minneapolis on another integrated network that um the command center of IMPD can look into at any time and businesses actively participate in agreements.
So there was actually a plan for a long time with the Blue Link where the city had a funding program where they would pay business owners to help offset the cost of cameras to increase the amount of cameras.
So I brought that up intentionally to say there's the license plate reader type and then there's... surveillance cameras, right? Surveillance cameras are not license plate reader cameras.
License plate reader cameras are specifically looking for that one thing and capturing and taking a picture of that one particular thing.
But as the license plate reader, the flock type camera, They take that image and then they create a storage of it for a set period of time.
And then they can also map that information to show where that particular license plate has been.
So that's the two types of cameras that we see used regularly in the city of Indianapolis and how long they've been using them and where specifically what they're getting out of the LPRs.
I think that's the big thing to, you know, really put a label on it first.
But they're a particular brand that, you know, I think are probably one of the more popular ones.
uh branding around them and there's they're used both in in the public sector where you know we as our uh city of indianapolis they have i want to say you know round numbers 300 throughout the city but they're also community and business based cameras so folks that live in particular neighborhoods can go buy them connect to a flock system and then people who are business owners can also buy them connect and so what they do is then they share this network of information amongst them uh and then that is intended to support uh police and and uh enforcement officials and investigations and things of that nature
now uh as a tech guy you would read about these things um when did they come about uh how did they get started because it just seems like a kind of a fancy radar detector
So what's interesting about it is, you know, I think they came out at the same time as they're very similar to like these ring cameras.
They all were all coming up about at the same time, right? I think that's where most people are familiar with them on a residential basis is like, okay, yeah, I've got those.
for quite some time actually even prior to or in parallel with the license plate reader cameras the city's been using a program the entire time i've been around which is going on eight years now what's called a blue link program and so you know there's all sorts of other cameras integrated throughout the city of minneapolis on another integrated network that um the command center of IMPD can look into at any time and businesses actively participate in agreements.
So there was actually a plan for a long time with the Blue Link where the city had a funding program where they would pay business owners to help offset the cost of cameras to increase the amount of cameras.
So I brought that up intentionally to say there's the license plate reader type and then there's... surveillance cameras, right? Surveillance cameras are not license plate reader cameras.
License plate reader cameras are specifically looking for that one thing and capturing and taking a picture of that one particular thing.
But as the license plate reader, the flock type camera, They take that image and then they create a storage of it for a set period of time.
And then they can also map that information to show where that particular license plate has been.
So that's the two types of cameras that we see used regularly in the city of Indianapolis and how long they've been using them and where specifically what they're getting out of the LPRs.
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