In With the Podcast (with Jenna!)
Aug 27, 2026 · 14 min · 9 segments
What if a minor medical procedure or a brutal workout set could actually be… fun? In this episode, Jenna dives into the difference between fleeting happiness and deep-seated joy, and why choosing…
But one of the things that I do want to talk to you about today, other than muffins and talking to strangers, is this idea that's come to my head lately.
It's not an idea, but so more of a way.
See, they're back.
You hear them? Jeez Louise.
This idea of making things fun.
And I know that not everything is meant to be super fun and super positive all the time.
I get that.
But I try to cultivate joy in everything I do.
And there's a difference between happiness and joy.
Happiness and joy are two different things.
They're like cousins, but they're not the same.
They're not brother and sister.
Are you getting this? Happiness is fleeting, right? It's a little more fleeting.
It's contingent upon circumstances.
It's usually connected to something outside of yourself being really good.
And so now you're happy.
Whereas joy is a state of being.
It is something that you just are.
And it doesn't necessarily change because of your circumstances.
Things could be really shitty around you.
And you can still have joy inside of you like this deep gratitude and appreciation.
That joy is kind of like this river that's in my mind kind of like running through me at all times.
And it's not going away based on if I'm having a bad day or whatever.
Happiness, however, is a little more contingent upon some of those external things.
But one of the things that I do want to talk to you about today, other than muffins and talking to strangers, is this idea that's come to my head lately.
It's not an idea, but so more of a way.
See, they're back.
You hear them? Jeez Louise.
This idea of making things fun.
And I know that not everything is meant to be super fun and super positive all the time.
I get that.
But I try to cultivate joy in everything I do.
And there's a difference between happiness and joy.
Happiness and joy are two different things.
They're like cousins, but they're not the same.
They're not brother and sister.
Are you getting this? Happiness is fleeting, right? It's a little more fleeting.
It's contingent upon circumstances.
It's usually connected to something outside of yourself being really good.
And so now you're happy.
Whereas joy is a state of being.
It is something that you just are.
And it doesn't necessarily change because of your circumstances.
Things could be really shitty around you.
And you can still have joy inside of you like this deep gratitude and appreciation.
That joy is kind of like this river that's in my mind kind of like running through me at all times.
And it's not going away based on if I'm having a bad day or whatever.
Happiness, however, is a little more contingent upon some of those external things.
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