'You can't lead others until you know how to lead yourself'

"You can't lead others until you know how to lead yourself." We're back. It's September, the leaves are turning, and Claire and Helen are settling back in for Season 4 of the How to Thrive podcast. No guest this week, just the two of us catching up on a busy summer and looking forward to the autumn and winter ahead. Helen has been to South Africa, picked up a RCVS Inspiration Award for her work bringing human factors into the veterinary profession.  Claire has been to France, wrestled her Sharpies back from her daughter, shouted at new parents outside the school, and has been sitting with it ever since. In between the catching up, they dig into some genuinely meaty territory: why brilliant professionals so often make struggling leaders, what automaticity has to do with it, and why giving yourself five minutes in the bathroom during a board meeting might be the most effective leadership tool you have. **With thanks to our sponsors:** **Lewis Silkin** — a full service law firm that works closely with organisations to help protect and enhance what matters most. Thoughtful, commercial and deeply human. Find out more at lewissilkin.com. **Lawyers on Demand** — providing access to world-class flexible legal talent and innovative legal operations solutions for in-house legal teams around the world. Find out more at lawyersondemand.com. **Springbird** — a modern intellectual property firm supporting ambitious, fast-growing businesses with trademark and design protection that's transparent, commercially focused and free from unnecessary complexity. Find out more at springbirdip.com. **How to Thrive events:** Our events are a chance to come together with other Community Members to network and share learnings in a safe space. All of our events are focussed on HOW to thrive and deliver practical skills that you can incorporate into your work and home lives. Visit our website to find out more. **Your How to Thrive hosts:** Claire Sanders, former Corporate Lawyer, General Counsel and Co-Founder of Being Human Consulting. Helen Silver-MacMahon, Human Factors Specialist, Veterinary Nurse and Co-Founder of Being Human Consulting. **Music Credit:** Lo-Fi Hip Hop (Never Old Fashioned) by Alex Kizenkov  **Podcast Production:** Anthony Zahra * * * Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.