Sep 25, 2026 · 58 min · 12 segments
In this episode of *Hack Dissection*, Mike Lisi sits down with Donna Grindle, CEO and founder of Kardon and host of the long-running *Help Me With HIPAA* podcast, to unpack the complex world of…
Donna GrindleGuest
Mike LisiHost
But I mean, we're talking about, you know, really specific details associated with a individual that could have huge implications into anything, you know, their insurance, their employment, their ability to, you know, do so many different things.

So like the reasons for protecting that are obviously paramount, but yeah, it just seems to be like, oh, you know, it's just 30,000 records, no big deal.

But when we teach particularly technical people and developers, I have a background in development and IT.

And making them not look at it as rows in a table or, you know, bits and bytes.

And it is, if you really look at ones where like the University of Vermont has, they've done a lot that they talked about.

But one of the areas they did a lot of presentations about were their oncology centers were hit.

We were actually, one of our podcasts, I do the Help Me With HIPAA podcast, by the way.

And years ago, I mean, we've been doing it for over 10 years, 560 some episodes.

But I mean, we're talking about, you know, really specific details associated with a individual that could have huge implications into anything, you know, their insurance, their employment, their ability to, you know, do so many different things.

So like the reasons for protecting that are obviously paramount, but yeah, it just seems to be like, oh, you know, it's just 30,000 records, no big deal.

But when we teach particularly technical people and developers, I have a background in development and IT.

And making them not look at it as rows in a table or, you know, bits and bytes.

And it is, if you really look at ones where like the University of Vermont has, they've done a lot that they talked about.

But one of the areas they did a lot of presentations about were their oncology centers were hit.

We were actually, one of our podcasts, I do the Help Me With HIPAA podcast, by the way.

And years ago, I mean, we've been doing it for over 10 years, 560 some episodes.
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