Illness, Worthiness & Family Separation | Twelve Tribes vs. FLDS

And the children and keeping them from the parent who has left the group so we'll get more into that but a lot of similarities to cover um starting with the first one they were talking about the fact that you know they didn't believe in western medicine and we kind of touched a little bit on that before that when something would happen to a kid they would say well everyone needs to pray and have faith and that there was also underlying fear of like oh well You can't go to hospitals.

You can't go to outside sources because then they're going to come in and they're going to take your kids away, right? Like trying to make it very fear-based.

Well, and it makes sense, unfortunately, because these cult leaders, specifically this one, they didn't want people to be going to these public places that are going to be asking for information about this kid.

Because some of these kids, in fact, a lot of these kids don't even have birth certificates.

So, you know, you take them to these hospitals and things where they're going to ask questions and they don't want to give answers to these questions.

And so that's one of the main reasons that the top leadership doesn't want their members to go and seek outside help.

Of course, they twist that and say that it's all because God is all powerful.

He has the ability to heal someone with a snap of a finger or the raise of a hand.

So we just need to have faith that he will protect us and And this is how they get off with it very easily.

If someone doesn't get healed or doesn't survive, then it was God's will and he must need them on the other side to be with him.

Or they did something wrong on this side.

Or they did something wrong on this side, and they didn't have enough faith, or they weren't righteous enough, and for that reason, God didn't heal them or protect them.

And I think that they will use that specifically if they're trying to make an example out of someone, especially if someone, and we'll get into this a little bit more, but if someone does something publicly within the group that goes against their teachings or tries to find a way out, they will use them as an example of, hey, if you do anything against our teachings, this is what will happen to you.

Yeah, bad things will happen if you have questions or you are questioning the leaders of the church, right? So this was super sad to see, and it reminded me so much.

In this documentary, Luke's mom got cancer and was told that she couldn't go get any medical treatment, that she needed to just trust the Father, trust God that He would heal her.

And that sounded and reminded me so much of when Ada Marie was sharing that...

Some of Warren's wives, or not some, one in particular of Warren's wives got cancer, asked to, you know, hey, can I go to the doctor? And he straight up just told her no.

You can't

go to the doctor.

Ada Marie, who was one of Warren Jeff's wives before she left, witnessed this and was there helping and taking care of her.

And so she had to literally watch someone die in front of her because they wouldn't seek outside help.

Yeah.

So that definitely happened in the FLDS.

And Luke was talking about the fact that people were going, like the entire community was surrounding his mother because she was a very big prominent member and was very kind and loving and all these things.

And his dad was very prominent in the church as well.