Jun 5, 2026 · 1 hr 6 min · 11 segments
The conversation covers the history and development of the Metric app, the concept of velocity-based training (VBT), and its practical applications in coaching and training. It also explores the use…
Jacob ToberGuestJasonHostYeah, that's good.
That was literally what my next question was going to be as well.
It was like, where do you sort of find yourself now? More so whether it is still in the coaching realm or more to do with the app itself.
I guess just to give some context as well with what VBT is, and I've heard you, even I think you said it yourself, that you're not a huge fan of the word VBT and use more velocity training or other sort of framings for it.
So just to give us some insight, what was your first, I guess, experience with VT and And also, you know, what was the thing that made it, I guess, so appealing to you to the point where even when the idea come about to first design the app that you were like, oh, this is actually contextually a good idea.
Like we're using like a flex or something like that initially.
And you're like, I actually love this.
I would love for it to be something more accessible.
I first got into velocity-based training and the idea of sort of, I like the idea of barbell tracking, lift tracking, lifting with data is a good way of sort of thinking.
They
And so velocity tracking or technology apps, devices in the gym is really just giving us the same thing that runners get from running with a watch.
You still run, you still get a heart rate, you still get a time and pace and lots of stuff, but you're still just running.
And you're doing a long run, a slow run, tempo run, intervals, like it's all the same stuff.
It's the idea that you kind of have to throw out the paradigm and start again from scratch.
no, if you're not using velocity for every decision, you're wasting your time and,
you've
Yeah, that's good.
That was literally what my next question was going to be as well.
It was like, where do you sort of find yourself now? More so whether it is still in the coaching realm or more to do with the app itself.
I guess just to give some context as well with what VBT is, and I've heard you, even I think you said it yourself, that you're not a huge fan of the word VBT and use more velocity training or other sort of framings for it.
So just to give us some insight, what was your first, I guess, experience with VT and And also, you know, what was the thing that made it, I guess, so appealing to you to the point where even when the idea come about to first design the app that you were like, oh, this is actually contextually a good idea.
Like we're using like a flex or something like that initially.
And you're like, I actually love this.
I would love for it to be something more accessible.
I first got into velocity-based training and the idea of sort of, I like the idea of barbell tracking, lift tracking, lifting with data is a good way of sort of thinking.
They
And so velocity tracking or technology apps, devices in the gym is really just giving us the same thing that runners get from running with a watch.
You still run, you still get a heart rate, you still get a time and pace and lots of stuff, but you're still just running.
And you're doing a long run, a slow run, tempo run, intervals, like it's all the same stuff.
It's the idea that you kind of have to throw out the paradigm and start again from scratch.
no, if you're not using velocity for every decision, you're wasting your time and,
you've
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