Aug 12, 2026 · 31 min · 10 segments
In this episode of \*Green Shoots & Big Shifts\*, host Reetu Gupta sits down with Jeremy McKane, the CEO of Ocean Currency Network (OCN.ai), a pioneering organization focused on marine conservation…
Jeremy McKaneGuestReetu GuptaHostAnd I know we've talked about like you, when we talked last time, you talked about like nature being on the balance sheet.
And also like, you know, you talked about there's more, just let's take the word awareness to action among financial institutes and people are actually getting behind this idea of it has to have some financial value.
Can you like talk more about this concept of nature being on the balance sheet, because it seems like it's a little like new and yeah, interesting at the same time.

Well, this is I have to give credit to my dear friend and colleague, Dr. Ralph Shami.

I mean, this he's the one that has really pioneered this entire concept in my in my humble opinion.

I mean, I know other people talk about this, but when you want to talk to somebody who's really been thorough about this, he's definitely the one.

And for most of history, for the most part, there's hardly a bridge that's between those two shores, right? But there have been some things that have changed, right? There have been these things called debt for nature swaps.

But when you eat If you listen to what I just said, debt for nature swaps are the restructuring of sovereign debt to invest into nature.

They're absolutely wonderful vehicles, and some of them are hundreds of millions of dollars.

But when we really start to see that, then things start changing, right? And so I don't value nature.
And I know we've talked about like you, when we talked last time, you talked about like nature being on the balance sheet.
And also like, you know, you talked about there's more, just let's take the word awareness to action among financial institutes and people are actually getting behind this idea of it has to have some financial value.
Can you like talk more about this concept of nature being on the balance sheet, because it seems like it's a little like new and yeah, interesting at the same time.

Well, this is I have to give credit to my dear friend and colleague, Dr. Ralph Shami.

I mean, this he's the one that has really pioneered this entire concept in my in my humble opinion.

I mean, I know other people talk about this, but when you want to talk to somebody who's really been thorough about this, he's definitely the one.

And for most of history, for the most part, there's hardly a bridge that's between those two shores, right? But there have been some things that have changed, right? There have been these things called debt for nature swaps.

But when you eat If you listen to what I just said, debt for nature swaps are the restructuring of sovereign debt to invest into nature.

They're absolutely wonderful vehicles, and some of them are hundreds of millions of dollars.

But when we really start to see that, then things start changing, right? And so I don't value nature.
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