Jul 2, 2026 · 55 min · 13 segments
There is a version of success that looks completely put together from the outside and is held up entirely by pressure on the inside. In this episode, Farya is joined by Ashley McDonald, therapist…
Ashley McDonaldGuest
Faria BarlasHost
And you know, th- this is what I call trauma-led success versus reparative success, right? So it's-- And you know, y- you've kind of put it beautifully, um, uh, because a lot of high performers, high achievers, I am yet to meet anybody, any high performer that has- Gone to that level of success, and it wasn't driven by some kind of, you know, trauma or programming, right? And the interesting part is that it gets you the success that you are looking for or you want, or you think that you want, and then there is-- it has a cap.

Or if you are somebody like yourself, because obviously because of your background and your, you know, your work and everything, you are very self-aware.

So once you get to that point, you understand that there is, there is the fulfillment element missing from all of this, and that you are actually just in survival.

And the threat is not there anymore, and yet we're still going on as if, you know, the poverty is there, as if the abuse is there, as if, you know, all the other programming that we've, we've got going on.

And then that's when things kind of just go-- I mean, what's interesting is, um, a lot of people don't recognize that trauma-- that it is trauma-led success, right? I mean, in your case, you kind of got to that point and you thought, "Okay, you know, I have-- I'm married, I've got the kids, I've got the amazing business, I've got everything going on for me," and yet something is just not clicking.

And you were self-aware enough and also driven enough to get to the kind of success that you wanted, that you automatically, without even kind of going into all of this, you managed to move it towards reparative success.

But before I get there, I want to know, um, because you also mentioned about sort of, you know, the intergenerational trauma and you becoming kind of the cycle breaker.

Did you know that-- Because obviously in this field, we know, like as, as therapists, we know what, you know, what it means to be a cycle breaker.

But it sounds like you were thinking about that and deciding that before you even had the vocabulary for it.

What was the process like? Did you kind of, uh, see somebody else that you thought, "Okay, you have a..." You-- Because you didn't have a template, right? So how did you work that out within yourself? What were you-- What was your process to go, "Okay, you know, [chuckles] I'm gonna break the cycle, and I'm gonna be the kind of first person to break the, this generational kind of programming"?

Well, this is rated R, so for anybody who's listening, [both chuckling] just bear in mind.

Um, I broke the cycle because I found out that my drug dealer was getting his drugs from my father, and I was retrieving said drugs, and the guy kind of made this notion of like, "I know your last name.

The guy I get my drugs from has the same last name." The father who had abandoned me, who I didn't have a relationship with, who I, at this point, I was, you know, 16, 17, despised because he was so horrid.

He said, he said his name, and I was like, "No way." And I remember just it was almost like a page turned in my book where I was like, "I have a choice to either become this person or become somebody different.

And right now I am very much on the pathway to become the one person I hate the most in this world." And so honestly, that was my breaking point.

I, I never did drugs again from that moment, like hardcore drugs in that sense.

I never-- Like, I literally-- Even now, if people were to meet me that knew me in high school, they are shocked.

They're like, "What? You are who?" [laughs] "Wait a minute." And it-- Honestly, I will never, ever forget that moment and that moment of just like a realization of I, I can't possibly stay the course this way.

And you know, th- this is what I call trauma-led success versus reparative success, right? So it's-- And you know, y- you've kind of put it beautifully, um, uh, because a lot of high performers, high achievers, I am yet to meet anybody, any high performer that has- Gone to that level of success, and it wasn't driven by some kind of, you know, trauma or programming, right? And the interesting part is that it gets you the success that you are looking for or you want, or you think that you want, and then there is-- it has a cap.

Or if you are somebody like yourself, because obviously because of your background and your, you know, your work and everything, you are very self-aware.

So once you get to that point, you understand that there is, there is the fulfillment element missing from all of this, and that you are actually just in survival.

And the threat is not there anymore, and yet we're still going on as if, you know, the poverty is there, as if the abuse is there, as if, you know, all the other programming that we've, we've got going on.

And then that's when things kind of just go-- I mean, what's interesting is, um, a lot of people don't recognize that trauma-- that it is trauma-led success, right? I mean, in your case, you kind of got to that point and you thought, "Okay, you know, I have-- I'm married, I've got the kids, I've got the amazing business, I've got everything going on for me," and yet something is just not clicking.

And you were self-aware enough and also driven enough to get to the kind of success that you wanted, that you automatically, without even kind of going into all of this, you managed to move it towards reparative success.

But before I get there, I want to know, um, because you also mentioned about sort of, you know, the intergenerational trauma and you becoming kind of the cycle breaker.

Did you know that-- Because obviously in this field, we know, like as, as therapists, we know what, you know, what it means to be a cycle breaker.

But it sounds like you were thinking about that and deciding that before you even had the vocabulary for it.

What was the process like? Did you kind of, uh, see somebody else that you thought, "Okay, you have a..." You-- Because you didn't have a template, right? So how did you work that out within yourself? What were you-- What was your process to go, "Okay, you know, [chuckles] I'm gonna break the cycle, and I'm gonna be the kind of first person to break the, this generational kind of programming"?

Well, this is rated R, so for anybody who's listening, [both chuckling] just bear in mind.

Um, I broke the cycle because I found out that my drug dealer was getting his drugs from my father, and I was retrieving said drugs, and the guy kind of made this notion of like, "I know your last name.

The guy I get my drugs from has the same last name." The father who had abandoned me, who I didn't have a relationship with, who I, at this point, I was, you know, 16, 17, despised because he was so horrid.

He said, he said his name, and I was like, "No way." And I remember just it was almost like a page turned in my book where I was like, "I have a choice to either become this person or become somebody different.

And right now I am very much on the pathway to become the one person I hate the most in this world." And so honestly, that was my breaking point.

I, I never did drugs again from that moment, like hardcore drugs in that sense.

I never-- Like, I literally-- Even now, if people were to meet me that knew me in high school, they are shocked.

They're like, "What? You are who?" [laughs] "Wait a minute." And it-- Honestly, I will never, ever forget that moment and that moment of just like a realization of I, I can't possibly stay the course this way.
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