Aug 18, 2026 · 54 min · 13 segments
Bestselling author, Hannah Richell, in conversation with Emma Grey on Hannah ‘s new book An Ocean and a Day, a powerful and poignant memoir on grief, loss and hope, from the internationally…
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My next question is a little bit based on my book actually and it's that ever since Geoff died I have sometimes wondered what would have happened if this was the other way around and if it had been me who had died.

Would he have taken the family to Dublin? Would my son be speaking with an Irish accent by now? And then I think about where I live and all the people I've met because he died, including you.

So do you ever think about that? Do you ever wonder if this had happened the other way around, if it had been you, what would Matt have made of his life and how would things be different?

I first want to say that Emma's novel Start at the End is a stunning piece of fiction which explores exactly that and when I read it I saw so many truths in your book about living with loss and working through grief so I highly recommend you all run out and buy a copy which is out there because I found it utterly brilliant.

He would have got a nanny, carried on working, done his job, someone would have swooped in and married him off, and I just felt that he would have coped much more admirably than I did.

I think maybe, you know, they talk about acceptance in grief, and I think I have reached a point where I accept what's happened.

I can step forward into a new shape of a life, understanding that what has been before has been lost, but that I can honor it and carry it with me.

So I don't kind of live with those sliding doors moments anymore, but it is so fascinating, isn't it, to sort of delve into that.

And I think that's why your novel is so incredibly brilliant, because it explores exactly that.

My next question is a little bit based on my book actually and it's that ever since Geoff died I have sometimes wondered what would have happened if this was the other way around and if it had been me who had died.

Would he have taken the family to Dublin? Would my son be speaking with an Irish accent by now? And then I think about where I live and all the people I've met because he died, including you.

So do you ever think about that? Do you ever wonder if this had happened the other way around, if it had been you, what would Matt have made of his life and how would things be different?

I first want to say that Emma's novel Start at the End is a stunning piece of fiction which explores exactly that and when I read it I saw so many truths in your book about living with loss and working through grief so I highly recommend you all run out and buy a copy which is out there because I found it utterly brilliant.

He would have got a nanny, carried on working, done his job, someone would have swooped in and married him off, and I just felt that he would have coped much more admirably than I did.

I think maybe, you know, they talk about acceptance in grief, and I think I have reached a point where I accept what's happened.

I can step forward into a new shape of a life, understanding that what has been before has been lost, but that I can honor it and carry it with me.

So I don't kind of live with those sliding doors moments anymore, but it is so fascinating, isn't it, to sort of delve into that.

And I think that's why your novel is so incredibly brilliant, because it explores exactly that.
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