Behind the scenes | S6 host Dominique Bayens in conversation

[laughs] I guess this, this is kind of cliche, and you'll recognize this, and I have to say it's largely untrue in my experience, and unfair.

There's this idea that followers of cults, right, are these passive victims with no agency, that they're strange and weak and deluded creatures.

And what I discovered was they're actually just regular people, you know? And they've been sucked into something they couldn't prevent.

And it was easy enough to get in and impossible to get out.

So, you know, I tried not to fall into that trap of pre-judging, which is easy to do because it's a kind of, it's a classic kind of journalistic tale, isn't it, you know? Kind of rabid evil cult leader and these kind of minions, you know, w- who don't really have a story.

But, you know, these were not dropouts by any stretch of the imagination.

You know, they were doctors, lawyers, engineers, um, like I say, worldly people.

But they somehow got themselves embroiled.

I think that's something that I've thought a lot about over the making of, um, of the Nan Up? Four is the ...