Pivoting From Priest & Therapist To Business Coach With André Radmall

How, what, how do you mean unhealthy ways?

Well, I, I think that sometimes when, just for example, thinking about whether people feel they belong, uh, in a, in any kind of group or, or workplace or organization-

Mm

... uh, I think it, it seems pretty clear to me that if people don't feel they belong, if they feel they're just peripheral, they're not really needed, not really appreciated, then they're probably quite likely to disengage in the end and become less, uh, enthusiastic about what they're doing really.

Mm.

Um, so I think that's a simple word, I suppose, belonging, but actually quite powerful effects if people are not feeling it.

Mm.

And do, I mean, how important do you think it is then for, for companies or business owners to understand that their employees need to feel that they belong and need to feel engaged within the business?

business?Yeah, I think it's critical actually because I think, I think what it is, is it's the sort of secret, secret source perhaps in, in business communities and systems is that those people working within it really feel this relates to their own, um, passion perhaps, or their own values, and things that they really are interested in doing.

So, and that they can bring their take on that to the table and have, uh, an audience, and it doesn't mean everyone gets to do everything they want to do all the time 'cause that would be kind of chaos.

Mm.

But at least there's a space there in a business where people can bring their ideas, and their passions, and their interests, and kind of themselves really, and, uh, find a place of where they're heard and they belong.

Mm.

I think it's really important.

So you think it's more about being heard, you think, rather than, than anything else?

I do.

I think, I think people kind of instinctively know if they're not being listened to really.

Mm.

You know, we, we, we've had a lot of corporate training, and I, I'm so aware of this as a therapist as well, [laughs] which kind of trains people to look like they're listening-

[laughs]

... and they're not actually listening at all.

[laughs]

Yeah.

So you get a lot of the nodding and-

Yeah

How, what, how do you mean unhealthy ways?

Well, I, I think that sometimes when, just for example, thinking about whether people feel they belong, uh, in a, in any kind of group or, or workplace or organization-

Mm

... uh, I think it, it seems pretty clear to me that if people don't feel they belong, if they feel they're just peripheral, they're not really needed, not really appreciated, then they're probably quite likely to disengage in the end and become less, uh, enthusiastic about what they're doing really.

Mm.

Um, so I think that's a simple word, I suppose, belonging, but actually quite powerful effects if people are not feeling it.

Mm.

And do, I mean, how important do you think it is then for, for companies or business owners to understand that their employees need to feel that they belong and need to feel engaged within the business?

business?Yeah, I think it's critical actually because I think, I think what it is, is it's the sort of secret, secret source perhaps in, in business communities and systems is that those people working within it really feel this relates to their own, um, passion perhaps, or their own values, and things that they really are interested in doing.

So, and that they can bring their take on that to the table and have, uh, an audience, and it doesn't mean everyone gets to do everything they want to do all the time 'cause that would be kind of chaos.

Mm.

But at least there's a space there in a business where people can bring their ideas, and their passions, and their interests, and kind of themselves really, and, uh, find a place of where they're heard and they belong.

Mm.

I think it's really important.

So you think it's more about being heard, you think, rather than, than anything else?

I do.

I think, I think people kind of instinctively know if they're not being listened to really.

Mm.

You know, we, we, we've had a lot of corporate training, and I, I'm so aware of this as a therapist as well, [laughs] which kind of trains people to look like they're listening-

[laughs]

... and they're not actually listening at all.

[laughs]

Yeah.

So you get a lot of the nodding and-

Yeah