... with specific clients in, in terms of helping them, um, get better within their business, or scale their business, or however you, you're looking at helping them on a, on a minutiae level?

Mm.

Yeah.

That's a good question I think because I think sometimes coaching tries to go straight for the objectives and how to get to those objectives in quite a kind of ABC sort of way, and there's a pla- there's for sure there's a place for that, especially when time is short.

But in my, I, I think in my experience, if people, people's feelings have to be taken into account as well.

So-Yeah, if somebody is struggling with something in work, uh, or in their business or in a leadership capacity, I kind of...

Th- there needs to be some space for that struggle to be heard, um, for that struggle to be articulated, for the, the feelings to be, um, heard as well.

Mm