Sep 7, 2026 · 28 min · 11 segments
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Jane TuomolaGuest
Sapna MakwanaGuest
Ella ShermanHost
Jonathan MarshallHostIn the 1960s, they tried to work out what were the most stressful events for a person, and the death of a loved one consistently shows at the top of the list.
And if there's enough stress in a person's life, it can lead to medical illnesses.
So it's not necessarily if it's your father or your spouse or your child, but the closeness of the bond and whether or not it's expected or a surprise, that these things contribute to what can be tremendously awful and protracted grief.

And I was just saying to Jane and Satna, sometimes we feel like there's a pecking order of importance in death.

Who should you be allowed to mourn for the most? Is it a parent, a spouse, rather than a friend or a pet? But that doesn't feel truthful.
Was it a surprise? Was it not? Was it expected? But in my clinical experience, the death of a child seems to me one of the most profound forms of grief that I've come across.

And Jane, that moves us on to your own experience, which I understand must be terribly difficult to share such a traumatic experience.
In the 1960s, they tried to work out what were the most stressful events for a person, and the death of a loved one consistently shows at the top of the list.
And if there's enough stress in a person's life, it can lead to medical illnesses.
So it's not necessarily if it's your father or your spouse or your child, but the closeness of the bond and whether or not it's expected or a surprise, that these things contribute to what can be tremendously awful and protracted grief.

And I was just saying to Jane and Satna, sometimes we feel like there's a pecking order of importance in death.

Who should you be allowed to mourn for the most? Is it a parent, a spouse, rather than a friend or a pet? But that doesn't feel truthful.
Was it a surprise? Was it not? Was it expected? But in my clinical experience, the death of a child seems to me one of the most profound forms of grief that I've come across.

And Jane, that moves us on to your own experience, which I understand must be terribly difficult to share such a traumatic experience.
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