Sep 17, 2026 · 57 min · 13 segments
Christopher Iobst, MD and David Podeszwa, MD sit down with LLRS Hall of Fame inductees John Birch, MD and Mark Dahl, MD.
Mark DahlGuest
John BirchGuest
David PodeszwaHost
Christopher IobstHostCan you talk about how important it is to have an outlet outside of medicine?
At about age 50, that's 25 years ago, I don't recall exactly how she said it, but essentially she said that I was unidimensional and boring.
And that it would be of value to her if I had other things to talk about and other things to distract me from this intense work that I did.
And so I said, well, what should I do? And I've always been athletic or athletic.
done endurance athletics but that's another solitary thing to do and so she said well why don't you take up
many guys that you would like to play with i would think and try golf and of course i sucked at it and uh because you can't just start doing that when you're 50. and um so i said well i'm looking for some other suggestions she said once you try sculpture i said what? She said, how did you come up with that idea? And she said, well, you painted and you drew and you've always been able to draw really well.
It was crude but it was sort of satisfying and then I took another workshop and another workshop and I really, really liked it because I was using my hands and that's what's so valuable to me.
I was just making busts of heads because then I was using these skills that I had to draw people.
And then a spine surgeon friend of mine, John Lonstein, said, you should do a workshop with this famous guy in Monterey, California named Richard McDonald.
Can you talk about how important it is to have an outlet outside of medicine?
At about age 50, that's 25 years ago, I don't recall exactly how she said it, but essentially she said that I was unidimensional and boring.
And that it would be of value to her if I had other things to talk about and other things to distract me from this intense work that I did.
And so I said, well, what should I do? And I've always been athletic or athletic.
done endurance athletics but that's another solitary thing to do and so she said well why don't you take up
many guys that you would like to play with i would think and try golf and of course i sucked at it and uh because you can't just start doing that when you're 50. and um so i said well i'm looking for some other suggestions she said once you try sculpture i said what? She said, how did you come up with that idea? And she said, well, you painted and you drew and you've always been able to draw really well.
It was crude but it was sort of satisfying and then I took another workshop and another workshop and I really, really liked it because I was using my hands and that's what's so valuable to me.
I was just making busts of heads because then I was using these skills that I had to draw people.
And then a spine surgeon friend of mine, John Lonstein, said, you should do a workshop with this famous guy in Monterey, California named Richard McDonald.
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