Yeah,

the first thing is I feel every bit as fortunate as Mark as opposed to anything by design.

You know, Ella and I were coming up on 42 years married, but her background, first of all, as an operating room nurse is how we met.

She was basically taking over for the head nurse in an orthopedic OR back in Ottawa during that person's pregnancy leave, and that's when we met.

So she had some, and I was at the end of my residency, so she had some real insight, not only of the work that we did, but also the demands of it.

And then I was working at Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario, and there were three of us, and it was a catchment area, and we were working pretty hard and hoping to start a family.

And that's when the call came to, would I be interested in going back to Dallas, the Scottish Rite, where at that time there was no emergency department, and it was a It was a huge move from my perspective.

And we were penniless anyway, so why not have our kids now when we're young and