Jul 17, 2026 · 39 min · 11 segments
In this episode of *Death and Dirt*, we are joined by Kristen Del Grosso, Senior Vice President and Market Leader for Central Pennsylvania at PNC Private Bank, and Kimberly Pennell, Vice President and…
Kimberly PennellGuestKristin DelGrossoGuest
Fred LongHost
Jay HagermanHost
Jen GallowayHost
So it sounds like, to me, it's pretty evident that collaboration between the financial representatives, if you will, and the attorney that are drafting the plan is paramount.

And I think that the, one of the best ways that we can discuss how important that is is to actually talk about what are the risks of not collaborating.

You know, one of the things that I'm thinking of is potentially missed planning opportunities.

One of you ladies tell us a little bit about some of the pitfalls or potholes that you see by not collaborating with counsel for your clients.
I'll start with a few, and I'm sure Kim will chime in with some a- additional examples as well.
I think, first and foremost, it's always understanding and being aligned with what the client's why is and understanding their overall goals and objectives.
I would say that another thing is missing things that are on a client's balance sheet.
So we will often spend maybe an entire meeting sitting with a client, going over their balance sheet, and it's very unusual for us to review a balance sheet and them to not identify something new or something they may have missed.
So unless we're having those repeated conversations and inquiring about different properties, interests, mineral rights, whatever it may be, they don't always know that information off the top of their head.
And I think the way we work with clients allows us to have that better foundation in building out that balance sheet, building it out with the right values and account titlings, which is really helpful whenever building out the overall wealth plan and estate plan.
I think some things that we've noticed, a client may have multiple properties, different states.
So potentially clients running into the need to do probate in multiple states.
We've had parents be on accounts with their young children, or maybe aged children at this point, and then it's just for convenience factors or just for accessibility for the parent to transfer funds to a child.
Parent passes, and then the child has to pay inheritance tax on their assets already.
So it's really trying to avoid those poor situations before they actually come to the forefront.

Is it also fair to say, I mean, like, in law school, it's like the Marine Corps, but mentally.

[laughs] They break you down in the first year to build you up the way that they want.

And frankly, I mean, it's taken me almost 40 years, but lawyers just view the world differently than everybody else, in my opinion.

So it sounds like, to me, it's pretty evident that collaboration between the financial representatives, if you will, and the attorney that are drafting the plan is paramount.

And I think that the, one of the best ways that we can discuss how important that is is to actually talk about what are the risks of not collaborating.

You know, one of the things that I'm thinking of is potentially missed planning opportunities.

One of you ladies tell us a little bit about some of the pitfalls or potholes that you see by not collaborating with counsel for your clients.
I'll start with a few, and I'm sure Kim will chime in with some a- additional examples as well.
I think, first and foremost, it's always understanding and being aligned with what the client's why is and understanding their overall goals and objectives.
I would say that another thing is missing things that are on a client's balance sheet.
So we will often spend maybe an entire meeting sitting with a client, going over their balance sheet, and it's very unusual for us to review a balance sheet and them to not identify something new or something they may have missed.
So unless we're having those repeated conversations and inquiring about different properties, interests, mineral rights, whatever it may be, they don't always know that information off the top of their head.
And I think the way we work with clients allows us to have that better foundation in building out that balance sheet, building it out with the right values and account titlings, which is really helpful whenever building out the overall wealth plan and estate plan.
I think some things that we've noticed, a client may have multiple properties, different states.
So potentially clients running into the need to do probate in multiple states.
We've had parents be on accounts with their young children, or maybe aged children at this point, and then it's just for convenience factors or just for accessibility for the parent to transfer funds to a child.
Parent passes, and then the child has to pay inheritance tax on their assets already.
So it's really trying to avoid those poor situations before they actually come to the forefront.

Is it also fair to say, I mean, like, in law school, it's like the Marine Corps, but mentally.

[laughs] They break you down in the first year to build you up the way that they want.

And frankly, I mean, it's taken me almost 40 years, but lawyers just view the world differently than everybody else, in my opinion.
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