016a – Bechoros - Page 16a – 016a - הלוקח עובר פרתו פרק שני בכורות דף טז, ע"א

So the Gemara says, O Marmar, Before we brought the B'raiseh, with regards to Kochim, whose first they became Kodesh and then there was a blemish, that the babies that were, that the Hema became pregnant before the redemption and then they were born after the mother was redeemed.

so they cannot be redeemed as long as they are without a defect and he cannot consecrate them to any carbon that he wants to only for the carbon that the mother became Kaddish for him alone So from this we can derive from this that that only at the time that they are whole, you can't redeem them.

But if they became they can be redeemed.

And this is only when they were consecrated at the time that they were in their mother's womb.

So in that case, their Kedusha is so strong because it comes from the force, from the power of the one who consecrates it.

And therefore, the pigeon can grab hold.

And further we can learn from here that that you can only not make it Kodesh for any carbon you want.

But for that carbon itself that the mother has been consecrated, he could be Magdashit.

Practicum, O Rehechim, Ashkachasloh.

So now that you say that the Baalim Mumim, those who have the blemishes can't be, could be redeemed, but you cannot consecrate them for another Kedushom.

So how do you find a situation that you can redeem them? So we have to say that we're talking about the Mat Pesom Le'oisei Zevach, So the way to redeem them is that you consecrated it for the Kiddushah of the mother.

And then when there's a mumm, that happens to the Vlades, to the baby, so then you can redeem them.

So we see from the Brice that there is something, a tacone, that there is something to do to babies that she became pregnant with them before the mothers were redeemed, and then they were born after the redemption.

shall we say that this would be a challenging question to Rav Huna he says there's no way to fix these babies because he holds Rav Huna that he cannot even be Magdish Dan for the Kiddush of their mother while they're in the mother's womb and then he cannot really redeem them, because they don't have a strong Kiddush, it doesn't come because, it only comes because of the mother, but not Mukai Hamagdish, and therefore the pigeon does not grab hold of them.

So that will be a challenge, a question of Huna.

I'm going to answer, O Malach, Rabhu Huna, Rabhu Huna will tell you that, no, The truth is, that even after they became blemished, they cannot be redeemed.

Like he said, that there is nothing to do with these babies that were born, conceived before the womb and born after, conceived before the pigeon and then redeemed after, and born after the pigeon.

But since it says in the Reisha with regards to the Kochim whose womb, the blemish came before he made him Kochim, so the Tane learns, Nivdin, Tzimimim, that they redeemed while they're whole.

Over there, the reason the Tana said Nivdin Tamimim, that it's a, to tell you that even when they're Tamimim, you could redeem them.

So that's why he also writes in this Sefer, when we talk about those Kotshim who had, they made them Kodesh before you had the Mu, a Nivdin Tamimim, But you cannot learn from this that by the Mum you could be pointed at them because you cannot even point at them even with the Mum as he had said before, as Rahuna stated.

And same thing is since in the Rish it says that you can have consecrated for any zevach you want.

Because we're talking about that the mum came before the Hekdesh so there's only a Kedushes domim and over there it says specifically Chol Zevach She Yirtzeh.

Because since the mothers don't have but a Kedushes domim So he can be Matfis and make the Yivlodes to another Kedusha also.

But that's why he also writes in the Sefer Chol Zevach She'irtze.

That you can counsel for every Zevach, but you cannot derive from this that for the...