Ketan JoshiGuest
Ben ElthamGuest
Rachel WithersHost
Ben, we might just quickly start with you and talking about what this long read on data centres and the politics of data centres entails that you've published in Crikey this week.

Yeah, so I do have an essay out in the website this week Looking really at the kind of long-form development of Labor's data center policy under the Albanese government, obviously it's also a state and territory issue, but I'm looking primarily at the way in which the Albanese government has attempted to regulate or perhaps not regulated this really, really interesting and fast-moving area of public policy.

And Ketan, just when you come at data centers, do you come at it from a mostly climate and energy perspective? What was your take, for want of a better word, on data centers at the moment?

It's a climate and energy perspective, but hopefully in the context of previous instances where we've seen overconsumption manifesting in this way with massive infrastructural impacts across the world.

You can kind of compare it to like single-use plastics or SUVs, that sort of thing.

So I try to, that is the angle, but in the context of this has happened before quite a few times.

There seems to be a lot of comparisons we can draw with AI and data centers to a lot of other things that we've tried and failed to address in the past.

Ben, we might just quickly start with you and talking about what this long read on data centres and the politics of data centres entails that you've published in Crikey this week.

Yeah, so I do have an essay out in the website this week Looking really at the kind of long-form development of Labor's data center policy under the Albanese government, obviously it's also a state and territory issue, but I'm looking primarily at the way in which the Albanese government has attempted to regulate or perhaps not regulated this really, really interesting and fast-moving area of public policy.

And Ketan, just when you come at data centers, do you come at it from a mostly climate and energy perspective? What was your take, for want of a better word, on data centers at the moment?

It's a climate and energy perspective, but hopefully in the context of previous instances where we've seen overconsumption manifesting in this way with massive infrastructural impacts across the world.

You can kind of compare it to like single-use plastics or SUVs, that sort of thing.

So I try to, that is the angle, but in the context of this has happened before quite a few times.

There seems to be a lot of comparisons we can draw with AI and data centers to a lot of other things that we've tried and failed to address in the past.
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