Oct 22, 2026 · 49 min · 12 segments
Continuous disruption, managing change fatigue, building adaptability as a skill rather than managing discrete change events... in this conversation we try to move on from doom mongering to exploring…
was the most okay where do we begin yeah where do we begin I guess, I guess an interesting
framing that I came across quite early on was, so when change keeps coming, there's this, there is this tendency to think, oh, we're like people get change fatigue,
you know,
And I think the framing that I found most useful to kind of break out of that thinking of, oh, it's all just really exhausting was.
change keeps coming and that produces uncertainty it's that uncertainty that's the stressor it's not change
stressor and so that's that like, separating that in steps was just a helpful way of thinking about it for me.
When we're living in constant uncertainty, that's what creates a stress for us.
But if we can think about how we reframe that uncertainty, that might help us to sort of think a bit differently about um or or to react differently to to the stress that that's causing
um
and and there's this whole sort of follow-up point is that stress is only harmful if we believe it's harmful
so
again if we can reframe our beliefs around stress that That can help us to think a bit differently about situations that we're in.
I mean, it's a bit glib to say it's only harmful if we believe it is, but like our beliefs around stress do shape the amount of harm it causes.
So, yeah, that was a really interesting kind of frame on that whole thing I came
So one of the podcasts, I listened to a couple of really good podcasts to research this episode.
And she, the speaker, the guest on that podcast said, um cited a study that showed people are more stressed when told they have a 50 chance of receiving an electric shock than being told they have a hundred percent chance of receiving an electric shock and that absolutely validates what you're saying which is that we crave that certainty it isn't the difficulty that's the issue like i'm prepared to receive an electric shock i just need to know if it's coming or not So you're absolutely right.
was the most okay where do we begin yeah where do we begin I guess, I guess an interesting
framing that I came across quite early on was, so when change keeps coming, there's this, there is this tendency to think, oh, we're like people get change fatigue,
you know,
And I think the framing that I found most useful to kind of break out of that thinking of, oh, it's all just really exhausting was.
change keeps coming and that produces uncertainty it's that uncertainty that's the stressor it's not change
stressor and so that's that like, separating that in steps was just a helpful way of thinking about it for me.
When we're living in constant uncertainty, that's what creates a stress for us.
But if we can think about how we reframe that uncertainty, that might help us to sort of think a bit differently about um or or to react differently to to the stress that that's causing
um
and and there's this whole sort of follow-up point is that stress is only harmful if we believe it's harmful
so
again if we can reframe our beliefs around stress that That can help us to think a bit differently about situations that we're in.
I mean, it's a bit glib to say it's only harmful if we believe it is, but like our beliefs around stress do shape the amount of harm it causes.
So, yeah, that was a really interesting kind of frame on that whole thing I came
So one of the podcasts, I listened to a couple of really good podcasts to research this episode.
And she, the speaker, the guest on that podcast said, um cited a study that showed people are more stressed when told they have a 50 chance of receiving an electric shock than being told they have a hundred percent chance of receiving an electric shock and that absolutely validates what you're saying which is that we crave that certainty it isn't the difficulty that's the issue like i'm prepared to receive an electric shock i just need to know if it's coming or not So you're absolutely right.
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