ContenderCast with Justin Honaman
Jun 14, 2026 · 23 min · 15 segments
Ron Friedman, PhD, is an award-winning psychologist who helps leaders build high-performing teams. He is the bestselling author of The Best Place to Work and Decoding Greatness. His new book…
Ron FriedmanGuest
Justin HonamanHost
So we spend over 70% of our work lives collaborating in teams, and we're all burnt out.

So what's going on there? And the challenge is that most organizations are optimizing for the wrong things.

And so we tend to confuse collaboration, which we all think is a positive word, with constant togetherness, which is not necessarily a positive experience.

if we all spend our days with our emails are co- constantly buzzing and we have, uh, text messaging buzzing, and we also on top of that layer in all the meetings, um, we end up feeling completely burnt out and not accomplished.

Then they lose another 11 hours to messages, so that's three quarters of their week now gone before they've accomplished a single task.

But what about people like me that don't just work 40 hours? You know, I'm like traveling, I'm 50, 60, some- you know.

You know, we keep asking ourselves, why are people getting burnt out? Better question is, how do they manage to get any work done in the first place?

And so what we find in our research is that the best teams are much more deliberate in how they spend their hours at the office.

They're 54% less likely to schedule recurring meetings, and recurring meetings are really difficult to remove from your calendar-

So we spend over 70% of our work lives collaborating in teams, and we're all burnt out.

So what's going on there? And the challenge is that most organizations are optimizing for the wrong things.

And so we tend to confuse collaboration, which we all think is a positive word, with constant togetherness, which is not necessarily a positive experience.

if we all spend our days with our emails are co- constantly buzzing and we have, uh, text messaging buzzing, and we also on top of that layer in all the meetings, um, we end up feeling completely burnt out and not accomplished.

Then they lose another 11 hours to messages, so that's three quarters of their week now gone before they've accomplished a single task.

But what about people like me that don't just work 40 hours? You know, I'm like traveling, I'm 50, 60, some- you know.

You know, we keep asking ourselves, why are people getting burnt out? Better question is, how do they manage to get any work done in the first place?

And so what we find in our research is that the best teams are much more deliberate in how they spend their hours at the office.

They're 54% less likely to schedule recurring meetings, and recurring meetings are really difficult to remove from your calendar-
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