Confronting Christianity with Rebecca McLaughlin
Jun 30, 2026 · 44 min · 12 segments
What if the worst season of your life became the place where you encountered God most deeply? Rebecca talks with Ray Ortlund about suffering, betrayal, loneliness, depression, and why the cross and…
Ray OrtlundGuest
Rebecca McLaughlinHost
It's when we were seniors in high school, we were not thinking, oh, yeah, that's where my life is going to go.
But sooner or later, something unimaginably horrible comes and grabs onto us and doesn't let go.
But it comes and finds us and takes away from us the life we had, the life we thought we would live.
One, am I stuck now with a plan B existence? Is this me for the duration? This smoking bombed out rubble called my life.
If I, however, put another template onto the data of my life, namely, God hates my guts, that would explain everything.
So, which is it? Is ultimate reality God loving me or God despising me? Can't be both.
And so when we find ourselves devastated, crushed, and feeling God forsaken, that's And I think for any honest person, that experience is inevitable.
And I wrote this book, Good News at Rock Bottom, because I discovered to my astonishment that rock bottom was where my real life finally began.
Yeah, I think in many people's minds, what Christianity is claiming to offer is a sort of quote unquote better life or a life where, you know, maybe the Christian message is, you know, if you're not a follower of Jesus, if you don't go to church, if you're not part of the church, sort of Christian community, then, you know, you can expect to be not in God's good books and probably to have hard things and bad things happen in your life.
But if you start following Jesus and if you submit yourself to God, I think there's a common what's sometimes called a prosperity gospel understanding of what Christianity is, which is to say, hey, you know, come over here and you'll be happy and healthy and wealthy and your problems will go away.
You know, if only you pray hard enough or you give enough or you, you know, fill in fill in the blank, but it seems like you're saying something quite different from that.
So drill us in a little bit more to why the good news of Jesus is still good news, and perhaps especially good news, when we are at the end of our rope.
Well, there's a verse in the Old Testament prophecy of Isaiah that really landed on me, and it rearranged my categories for my self-understanding and my understanding of others.
It's when we were seniors in high school, we were not thinking, oh, yeah, that's where my life is going to go.
But sooner or later, something unimaginably horrible comes and grabs onto us and doesn't let go.
But it comes and finds us and takes away from us the life we had, the life we thought we would live.
One, am I stuck now with a plan B existence? Is this me for the duration? This smoking bombed out rubble called my life.
If I, however, put another template onto the data of my life, namely, God hates my guts, that would explain everything.
So, which is it? Is ultimate reality God loving me or God despising me? Can't be both.
And so when we find ourselves devastated, crushed, and feeling God forsaken, that's And I think for any honest person, that experience is inevitable.
And I wrote this book, Good News at Rock Bottom, because I discovered to my astonishment that rock bottom was where my real life finally began.
Yeah, I think in many people's minds, what Christianity is claiming to offer is a sort of quote unquote better life or a life where, you know, maybe the Christian message is, you know, if you're not a follower of Jesus, if you don't go to church, if you're not part of the church, sort of Christian community, then, you know, you can expect to be not in God's good books and probably to have hard things and bad things happen in your life.
But if you start following Jesus and if you submit yourself to God, I think there's a common what's sometimes called a prosperity gospel understanding of what Christianity is, which is to say, hey, you know, come over here and you'll be happy and healthy and wealthy and your problems will go away.
You know, if only you pray hard enough or you give enough or you, you know, fill in fill in the blank, but it seems like you're saying something quite different from that.
So drill us in a little bit more to why the good news of Jesus is still good news, and perhaps especially good news, when we are at the end of our rope.
Well, there's a verse in the Old Testament prophecy of Isaiah that really landed on me, and it rearranged my categories for my self-understanding and my understanding of others.
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