Built For Trust With Nick Lippis
Sep 17, 2026 · 25 min · 10 segments
AI agents can move at machine speed, but speed without trusted data, structured workflows and clear controls creates risk. In this episode of the Built for Trust Podcast, Nick Lippis speaks with…
So, yeah, actually, if you go back in, you know, if you look back and I've always used like the what we call the DevOps industry, people automating, not just networking, but more cloud as I always found it fascinating to look at what they're doing, because there's always this sentiment that we're a few years behind.
And yet, when you have to look at what they're doing and what we're doing, maybe I think a decade is a bit harsh.
And for example, tools like InfoHub, they don't really exist in the cloud space.
And the reason is because they're actually using another tool using Git for it.
And to me, for many, many years before creating OpsMule, I was asking myself these questions like, why? Why are they not using something like InfoHub or other product? And I came to the realization that what's the most important when you want to automate is, and especially when you want to manage this intent, is to have something that is super flexible and that has version control.
They want to be able to validate their changes in isolations and all of those things.
And the reasons why we're not using Git in the networking space or the security space is we have a lot more data.
As soon as you put a lot of data into the system, then things start to fall apart.
And for the last decade, it felt like you could have a lot of data or you could have version control.
And, you know, for me, it was it was such an obvious choice to bring both together.
they want to be able to store huge amount of data, which represents what they need to model their real network, their security elements.
But they also want to be able to have this very change control, very tight, or they can review changes before deploying them at their own pace and get all the benefit of what you call CI-CD and version control and all that.
So, yeah, actually, if you go back in, you know, if you look back and I've always used like the what we call the DevOps industry, people automating, not just networking, but more cloud as I always found it fascinating to look at what they're doing, because there's always this sentiment that we're a few years behind.
And yet, when you have to look at what they're doing and what we're doing, maybe I think a decade is a bit harsh.
And for example, tools like InfoHub, they don't really exist in the cloud space.
And the reason is because they're actually using another tool using Git for it.
And to me, for many, many years before creating OpsMule, I was asking myself these questions like, why? Why are they not using something like InfoHub or other product? And I came to the realization that what's the most important when you want to automate is, and especially when you want to manage this intent, is to have something that is super flexible and that has version control.
They want to be able to validate their changes in isolations and all of those things.
And the reasons why we're not using Git in the networking space or the security space is we have a lot more data.
As soon as you put a lot of data into the system, then things start to fall apart.
And for the last decade, it felt like you could have a lot of data or you could have version control.
And, you know, for me, it was it was such an obvious choice to bring both together.
they want to be able to store huge amount of data, which represents what they need to model their real network, their security elements.
But they also want to be able to have this very change control, very tight, or they can review changes before deploying them at their own pace and get all the benefit of what you call CI-CD and version control and all that.
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