The CEO Expiration Date
Even the strongest leaders eventually lose effectiveness.
Sep 24, 2026 · 23 min · 10 segments
Today we take on leadership models—and ask whether we may be putting far too much faith in them. Thirty years ago, leaders watched and emulated GE CEO Jack Welch, following his leadership formula…
Bob StapletonHost
Joyce Wilson-SanfordHost
So, you know, and this is going to be, like many of our episodes, pretty free thinking.

So I received an article from my cousin who listens on occasion, and it was about an emerging leadership style based on the Franciscan order of Catholic priests.

And it got me thinking that if I believe what I'm reading and listening to about, the convergence of technology and AI and how that's going to revolutionize every aspect of our lives.

And I thought about different models of leadership that we've experienced in the past and the fact that it's amazing how a leadership style that's seen so important to emulate 30 years ago, today seems so obsolete and absurd.

And at the heart of this article was the fact that different styles of leadership.

So if I go back to Jack Welsh, Do you remember that choice? Everybody had to be a leader in the spirit of Jack Welch, strong and sit down and get rid of 10% of your losers every year and challenge people every year to get rid of another 10% of your losers and management by objectives and all that.

And today we're like scratching our heads saying, boy, this leader would be Then came gentle leadership.

So what the Franciscans are talking about is looking at what is the leadership model for the next generation.

And they're kind of implying this kind of equalitarian viewpoint that leader isn't someone who stands at the front of the room or up at the pulpit in the context of religion, but it's someone that is in the flock working in a way that empowers every aspect of people they touch, whether it be their employees, the customer, their congregation, their competition.

And I go back to something you said last time, Joyce, about The Daily Drucker, where I think one of his quotes, what seems to be so sensible now then becomes absurd into the future.

What is some offerings about the leader of the future? What would be the attributes that may seem absurd to us in this conversation, but maybe just what's needed to lead in the world that's coming at us pretty darn quickly? How's that for a setup, Joyce? I see your hands up, so it's either I'm surrendering,

So, you know, and this is going to be, like many of our episodes, pretty free thinking.

So I received an article from my cousin who listens on occasion, and it was about an emerging leadership style based on the Franciscan order of Catholic priests.

And it got me thinking that if I believe what I'm reading and listening to about, the convergence of technology and AI and how that's going to revolutionize every aspect of our lives.

And I thought about different models of leadership that we've experienced in the past and the fact that it's amazing how a leadership style that's seen so important to emulate 30 years ago, today seems so obsolete and absurd.

And at the heart of this article was the fact that different styles of leadership.

So if I go back to Jack Welsh, Do you remember that choice? Everybody had to be a leader in the spirit of Jack Welch, strong and sit down and get rid of 10% of your losers every year and challenge people every year to get rid of another 10% of your losers and management by objectives and all that.

And today we're like scratching our heads saying, boy, this leader would be Then came gentle leadership.

So what the Franciscans are talking about is looking at what is the leadership model for the next generation.

And they're kind of implying this kind of equalitarian viewpoint that leader isn't someone who stands at the front of the room or up at the pulpit in the context of religion, but it's someone that is in the flock working in a way that empowers every aspect of people they touch, whether it be their employees, the customer, their congregation, their competition.

And I go back to something you said last time, Joyce, about The Daily Drucker, where I think one of his quotes, what seems to be so sensible now then becomes absurd into the future.

What is some offerings about the leader of the future? What would be the attributes that may seem absurd to us in this conversation, but maybe just what's needed to lead in the world that's coming at us pretty darn quickly? How's that for a setup, Joyce? I see your hands up, so it's either I'm surrendering,
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